Hip turn, hip action and swaying

[KnighT]

I was watching the Ben Doyle 'tire trouble' video and he says 'hip turn drags the wet mop, hip action snaps it out.'

7-14. " Except for its being, in itself, the Weight Shift, the Hip Turn is a motion permitting - rather than causing - the other effects, actions, and motions of the Pivot. Weight Shift is strictly a HIP MOTION; Substituting a Head Motion and/or a Knee Motion will make Swaying inevitable."

Does this beg the question: "Do you keep your body weight centered 'in' your hips throughout the stroke ? "

When training the pivot, are the hips a good place to start, or focus ? Can proper hip turn and hip action help correct a pivot that is only superficially correct and prevent swaying?

[6bmike]

For me, the Hip turn and Hip action IS the pivot. Train the pivot there.

The pivot components are: Foot Action, Knee Action, Hip Action, Hip Turn, Shoulder Turn. Feet and knees are anchors and braces for the hip motion. The shoulders drag and lag the hips on the up stroke and the hips drag and lag the shoulders on the down stroke. This is Pivot Lag.

The Machine maintains its Pivot Center with the Stationary Head. See Hula Hula.

So does the body weight center in your hips through out the stroke?
If you mean is there equal weight on the feet- yes up to Storage before impact, IMHO. But I like to think of it as lining up the body centers- The Head, Chest and Pelvis at impact (or as close as it can be for me) to maintain the Pivot Center with the Head being the most important.

Train the pivot from the hips, keep the head stationary in training. Practice Hula Hula.

[KnighT]

How does pivot lag work on the dowswing ?

Ok, so the shoulders lag the hips on the downswing. Do the hips reach maximum rotation before impact ?

I have heard the idea of 'pivot train', how would you describe the pivot train with impact as a checkpoint: what car is first, and what is the caboose ?

[6bmike]

You can tell I bored at work tonight.

Pivot Lag is the Lag and Drag of the Pivot Train. The slow and heavy resistence of the clubhead to be moved.

The hips drag the shoulders that drag the arms that drag the club.

Clubhead is the caboose. The hips are the rail. The hands are the engineer in the lead locomotive.

[KnighT]

In this frame of reference, what is going on with hip turn and hip action in this picture?

If there is a relationship between the feet, knees and hips then why is his right heel the ground

Mike Hebron talks about keeping the right elbow in front of the right hip, is that takin place here ?

[6bmike]

In this frame of reference, what is going on with hip turn and hip action in this picture?

If there is a relationship between the feet, knees and hips then why is his right heel the ground

Mike Hebron talks about keeping the right elbow in front of the right hip, is that takin place here ?

Hogan isn't posing. His Swing was quick. After a nice slide of the hips, then a turn, the right hip lifts the right foot. the right foot doesn't move itself. The hips FOLLOW on the backswing and LEAD on the downswing. There is no stopping them- let them rip. Hopefully the hip action has been trianed to delivery the arms, hands and clubhead to the ball so they can "rip" without and obstruction or a roundhouse move.

Elbow. PUNCH or PITCH, both Elbow Postions for Swingers, the elbow will move to the front of the hips because the arms are moving and the body is turning. I think Hogan used PUNCH more than not, maybe deeper than most mortals. With PITCH, the elbow leads the hands into the pivot with a later trigger snap release. Hogan didn't snap everything.

[KnighT]

6bMike, thank you for your responses.....they do help alot.

[Burner]

Hogan isn't posing. His Swing was quick. After a nice slide of the hips, then a turn, the right hip lifts the right foot. the right foot doesn't move itself.

I think the statement above, seen often in relation to the start of the down swing, is most misleading and causes lots of problems for the unenlightened.

The slide should NOT precede the turn of the hips; the actions are synchronous. Any attempt to separate one from the other, or to sequence the processes, is damaging at best and disastrous at worst.

Sorry, but this is yet another of those little truisms that hampered my progress until I learned different from experience.

[6bmike]

I think the statement above, seen often in relation to the start of the down swing, is most misleading and causes lots of problems for the unenlightened.

The slide should NOT precede the turn of the hips; the actions are synchronous. Any attempt to separate one from the other, or to sequence the processes, is damaging at best and disastrous at worst.

Sorry, but this is yet another of those little truisms that hampered my progress until I learned different from experience.

Although the slide or bump will turn the hips to parallel, the intent has to be a slide and never a turn. The action of a slide that turns, as opposed to a turn that doesn’t slide and maintains a low right shoulder position invites permanent residency in Hackerville. A pure turn will prevent any weight shift or allow the right shoulder to stay on and down the plane. The slide thought is Hula Hula.

[Burner]

Although the slide or bump will turn the hips to parallel, the intent has to be a slide and never a turn. The action of a slide that turns, as opposed to a turn that doesn’t slide and maintains a low right shoulder position invites permanent residency in Hackerville. A pure turn will prevent any weight shift or allow the right shoulder to stay on and down the plane. The slide thought is Hula Hula.

Agreed.

The only problem I found was in trying to separate and sequence the two motions - slide, then turn. They are integral parts of the one and only move.