The most important alignments in the uncompensating swing.
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08-23-2006, 03:51 AM
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The most important alignments in the uncompensating swing.
Please help me for more understanding some other exactly defined components of the golf swing as Homer Kelley would agree to.
1. what are considered the most important alignments in the uncompensating swing? and
2. How does a golfer maintain them throughout the swing?
Golf is frustrating when no answer is available, the answer that is simple to understand and without omissions.
Thanks in advance to LBG TGM qualified Instructor here and anyone who shared for clarification. 
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08-23-2006, 06:09 AM
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I'll take the bait for the first part of your question.
- Flat Left Wrist from Start Up to Follow Through
- Right Forearm and Clubshaft Tracing the Straight Plane Line during Release
- The perpendicular relationship of the Flying Wedges: the Flat Left Wrist and Level Right Wrist
- An "On Plane" Right Shoulder from Start Down to Follow Through to give the right amount of Axis Tilt and Hip Slide
- All Pivot Components moving parallel to your selected Delivery Line (usually the Plane Line) at Start Down
- A fixed Pivot Center
- A 10-2-B Grip with no wobble in Clubshaft attachment during the entire motion
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08-23-2006, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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I'll take the bait for the first part of your question.
- Flat Left Wrist from Start Up to Follow Through
- Right Forearm and Clubshaft Tracing the Straight Plane Line during Release
- The perpendicular relationship of the Flying Wedges: the Flat Left Wrist and Level Right Wrist
- An "On Plane" Right Shoulder from Start Down to Follow Through to give the right amount of Axis Tilt and Hip Slide
- All Pivot Components moving parallel to your selected Delivery Line (usually the Plane Line) at Start Down
- A fixed Pivot Center
- A 10-2-B Grip with no wobble in Clubshaft attachment during the entire motion
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Nice list Leo
To add to it, the shoulder line is one of the most important for all shots IMO because the hands will tend to follow the shoulders. If you maintain the flying wedges and have good shoulder alignment, you won't be far from your target. Especially important in putting - learn to key on your shoulders.
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08-23-2006, 10:52 AM
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What is an uncompensated swing?
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08-23-2006, 11:28 AM
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Good question...how would you define it?
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Leo....good list man.
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I'll add- perfect balance on every shot....from Address to the Finish. A stable base. (think waist-down)
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08-23-2006, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
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Good question...how would you define it?
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An uncompensated swing - The most efficient application of force, based on the laws of physics, geometry and anatomy.
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08-23-2006, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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I'll take the bait for the first part of your question.
- Flat Left Wrist from Start Up to Follow Through
- Right Forearm and Clubshaft Tracing the Straight Plane Line during Release
- The perpendicular relationship of the Flying Wedges: the Flat Left Wrist and Level Right Wrist
- An "On Plane" Right Shoulder from Start Down to Follow Through to give the right amount of Axis Tilt and Hip Slide
- All Pivot Components moving parallel to your selected Delivery Line (usually the Plane Line) at Start Down
- A fixed Pivot Center
- A 10-2-B Grip with no wobble in Clubshaft attachment during the entire motion
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Nice list Tongzillium
Sorry if I'm threadjacking but....
I've just had an AHA-moment reading the third sentence.
The perpendicular relationship of the Flying Wedges: the Flat Left Wrist and Level Right Wrist.
Isn't it right that if you keep this relationship the right elbow position will follow the hingeaction:
-so if your're swinging with horizontal hinging, you'll turn the flat left wrist to the plane, that'll automatically put the right elbow in pitch position.
-and if you're hitting with angled hinging, you'll turn the flat left wrist less, and the perpendicular level right wrist will automatically put the right elbow in punch/push position.
Am I right?
....and now back to the important alignments in the uncompensated golfswing
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08-23-2006, 09:46 PM
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De-fogging: Flying Wedges, Hinge Action and Basic Stroke Elbow Location
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Originally Posted by Thom
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Nice list Tongzillium
Sorry if I'm threadjacking but....
I've just had an AHA-moment reading the third sentence.
The perpendicular relationship of the Flying Wedges: the Flat Left Wrist and Level Right Wrist.
Isn't it right that if you keep this relationship the right elbow position will follow the hingeaction:
-so if your're swinging with horizontal hinging, you'll turn the flat left wrist to the plane, that'll automatically put the right elbow in pitch position.
-and if you're hitting with angled hinging, you'll turn the flat left wrist less, and the perpendicular level right wrist will automatically put the right elbow in punch/push position.
Am I right?
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I think you got a few concepts mixed up here: The Flying Wedges, Hinge Action, and the Basic Stroke Elbow Locations at Release.
The relationship of The Flying Wedges with itself (the Left Arm Wedge and Right Forearm Wedge) are the same whether you’re Hitting or Swinging. In other words, you should always have a Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B) with a Flat Left Wrist and Level Right Wrist from Start Up to Follow Through. However, the relationship of The Flying Wedges (as a whole) to the Inclined Plane may differ between Hitting and Swinging.
All differences between Hitting and Swinging (including Hinge Action and Elbow Location at Release) essentially stems from their different Acceleration methods -- Longitudinal (Pull) for Swinging vs Radial (Push) for Hitting. And it is because Swingers need to Drag Load (10-19-C) the Club that they need to use Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) which gives the Pitch Basic Stroke Elbow.
So, I’d say your concept that the Left Wrist is “turned less” with Hitting than Swinging is right, but you are confused about why such differences occur.
You are almost there, I hope this post will clear some fog.
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08-23-2006, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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I'll take the bait for the first part of your question.
- Flat Left Wrist from Start Up to Follow Through
- Right Forearm and Clubshaft Tracing the Straight Plane Line during Release
- The perpendicular relationship of the Flying Wedges: the Flat Left Wrist and Level Right Wrist
- An "On Plane" Right Shoulder from Start Down to Follow Through to give the right amount of Axis Tilt and Hip Slide
- All Pivot Components moving parallel to your selected Delivery Line (usually the Plane Line) at Start Down
- A fixed Pivot Center
- A 10-2-B Grip with no wobble in Clubshaft attachment during the entire motion
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I'm unsure about the second item - I'd say number three pressure point (and clubshaft) tracing through release and right forearm on plane at impact. I think this discussion may have been had before!
EDIT:
Shouldn't be so quick to type - Tongzilla is right and I am wrong. What I mean (I think) is that while the right forearm is tracing it need not be on the same plane as the clubshaft until impact (particularly with the turned shoulder plane).
Chris
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08-23-2006, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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I'll take the bait for the first part of your question.
- Flat Left Wrist from Start Up to Follow Through
- Right Forearm and Clubshaft Tracing the Straight Plane Line during Release
- The perpendicular relationship of the Flying Wedges: the Flat Left Wrist and Level Right Wrist
- An "On Plane" Right Shoulder from Start Down to Follow Through to give the right amount of Axis Tilt and Hip Slide
- All Pivot Components moving parallel to your selected Delivery Line (usually the Plane Line) at Start Down
- A fixed Pivot Center
- A 10-2-B Grip with no wobble in Clubshaft attachment during the entire motion
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Excellent list, Tong. Wrap them up in the "Warmth of Educated Hands " and you won't be far from your target.
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