running out of right arm

[solarbear]

Ok this is a chronic problem for me.

How do I learn to get my shoulder down plane and start swivelling properly? Drills? Swingthoughts? What can I do to learn this?

I have only a vague notion what it should look like.

[comdpa]

Ok this is a chronic problem for me.

How do I learn to get my shoulder down plane and start swivelling properly? Drills? Swingthoughts? What can I do to learn this?

I have only a vague what it should look like.

solarbear...

There are two parts to getting rid of this chronic problem.

1) Do your darndest best to hit pitch shots about 30 degrees to the right of your target. In other words, hit push shots while you are set up to hit the ball straight.

2) When #1 can be accomplished with a fair bit of consistency, learn to swivel or roll the left forearm in conjunction with #1 until dead straight or draw shots are achieved.

[solarbear]

solarbear...

There are two parts to getting rid of this chronic problem.

1) Do your darndest best to hit pitch shots about 30 degrees to the right of your target. In other words, hit push shots while you are set up to hit the ball straight.

2) When #1 can be accomplished with a fair bit of consistency, learn to swivel or roll the left forearm in conjunction with #1 until dead straight or draw shots are achieved.

Ok. This is an interesting drill. Your going to think I am dumb with this question though.

Do you try and hit it 30* right by changing the angle of attack? Or by holding the clubface open? The first would make more sense to me as it would be teaching the hitters angle of attack. But I could see some value in the other as it would teach you to feel various clubface manipulations.

[alex_chung]

Ok. This is an interesting drill. Your going to think I am dumb with this question though.

Do you try and hit it 30* right by changing the angle of attack? Or by holding the clubface open? The first would make more sense to me as it would be teaching the hitters angle of attack. But I could see some value in the other as it would teach you to feel various clubface manipulations.

You do this by changing the angle of attack. This is a good drill to prevent 'steering' Its otherwise known as the 'Cut Shot' Therapy where you set up with a Square-Square stance and the proceed to hit the ball 30* right. By doing this drill you will also learn to hit the ball on the inside aft quadrant and learn the down and out motion that is needed for solid compression.
Alex

[comdpa]

Ok. This is an interesting drill. Your going to think I am dumb with this question though.

Do you try and hit it 30* right by changing the angle of attack? Or by holding the clubface open? The first would make more sense to me as it would be teaching the hitters angle of attack. But I could see some value in the other as it would teach you to feel various clubface manipulations.

This is not a dumb question.

For clarification of Angle of Attack and Angle of Approach, please see attached diagrams below. Diagrams are courtesy of Rob Noel,GSEM.

The whole point of doing the drill prescribed is to exaggerate the inside out path that the clubhead and hands take. This is done by changing the Angle of Approach and not the Angle of Attack.

In TGM, such a drill is called an Inside-Out Cut Shot per 3-F-7-A and is usually done with a Vertical Hinge or as you have termed 'holding the clubface open'.

As with all geometrically correct downstrokes, make sure that you still hit D-O-W-N.

It also teaches the Hitters' "Angle of Approach" not "Angle of Attack" as you have posted.

The "ramification" of executing the first part of the drill is that your right shoulder will be forced downplane in order to put the hands and clubhead on the correct 'inside' route. The vertical hinge will ensure that the ball goes off on an angle to your target line.

[solarbear]

This is not a dumb question.

For clarification of Angle of Attack and Angle of Approach, please see attached diagrams below. Diagrams are courtesy of Rob Noel,GSEM.

The whole point of doing the drill prescribed is to exaggerate the inside out path that the clubhead and hands take. This is done by changing the Angle of Approach and not the Angle of Attack.

In TGM, such a drill is called an Inside-Out Cut Shot per 3-F-7-A and is usually done with a Vertical Hinge or as you have termed 'holding the clubface open'.

As with all geometrically correct downstrokes, make sure that you still hit D-O-W-N.

It also teaches the Hitters' "Angle of Approach" not "Angle of Attack" as you have posted.

The "ramification" of executing the first part of the drill is that your right shoulder will be forced downplane in order to put the hands and clubhead on the correct 'inside' route. The vertical hinge will ensure that the ball goes off on an angle to your target line.

Didn't realize there were 2 different terms. I think I meant angle of approach... Basically the angle a hitter would swing out at.

That is how I was doing the drill. Made small pitches more interesting.

Thanks for your help.

[powerdraw]

Don, you know you are trespassing into the dark side...

[tball88]

I think this is a geat thread for hitters. One of the problems I had when starting to hit was the idea that you use the shoulder to push the right arm off of. In order to accomplish this I would hold the right shoulder back, sometimes even drop under plane and just try to drive to a both arm straight position. When doing this I would run out of right arm and flip the club into impact causing massive hooks.

For me to correct the problem I consciously think or swinging"hitting in my case" on the shoulder plane. My shoulder is driving downplane while at the same time slamming a bent right wrist into impact. If you're on plane, proper finish swivel should occur with no additional effort.

[solarbear]

I think this is a geat thread for hitters. One of the problems I had when starting to hit was the idea that you use the shoulder to push the right arm off of. In order to accomplish this I would hold the right shoulder back, sometimes even drop under plane and just try to drive to a both arm straight position. When doing this I would run out of right arm and flip the club into impact causing massive hooks.

For me to correct the problem I consciously think or swinging"hitting in my case" on the shoulder plane. My shoulder is driving downplane while at the same time slamming a bent right wrist into impact. If you're on plane, proper finish swivel should occur with no additional effort.

I am having a terrible time with this. When I work on getting the shoulder downplane I start hitting it fat. :S

My first instinct is flipping. Always flipping. But much playing around, I don't think this is the case.

I can't find the right shoulder downplane angle or something else. It could be some sort of incorrect movement by the RFW. Whatever the problem, I can't sort it out ATM.

[tball88]

Two things that helped me, very recently due to a visit to the swamp with Ted.

1. Slow Start down. May not work for everyone, but I try to get the right shoulder back to where it was at setup before really driving my arms. It's a timing thing that just requires practice.

2. Also for me it's critical that I feel like the club is pulling me through impact instead of my hips running off and pulling the club through impact. A swingers hip action with a hitters motion has got trouble written all over it.