How much Cen Force

[brownman]

I have for a while taken a break from HITTING altogether in weekly game and use swinging ,every now and then I will have a HIT to keep it oiled so to speak.
The question I have is "how much "centrifugal force controls the swingers hit,let me explain,in practice mode,I will pitch with 9ir thru to 6ir sometimes a 3or4ir to around110-120 mtres using absolultly no hand of finger pressure at all other than holding on to club purposes,when I do this,the lag feeling huge,and good btw,now,when swinger is in full flight,"how much" should the hands actually do when swing gets to release,is it still C/force or do the hands actually hit.........hope you follow my question thanks in advance

[Daryl]

..............now,when swinger is in full flight,"how much" should the hands actually do when swing gets to release,is it still C/force or do the hands actually hit.........hope you follow my question thanks in advance

"How much"?

2-M-3 MUSCLES.......
The Hands are strong, educated, adjustable Clamps attaching the Club to the Arms for control of the Clubface alignments. By themselves, they are actually able to drive the ball only relatively short distance. Even the Wristcock is not properly an action of the Wrist muscles. So the only absolutely essential muscular contribution of the Wrists is “holding on.”

[brownman]

Daryl,again thank you friend,sort of figured something along those lines,Cos,everytime I use hands,I lose that "feel" and the hit is sooo different.Now,if I can keep ,em out of play life would be better.I going to start making myself a checklist .Now,transition

[cometgolfer]

I think it's been calculated that a 5 iron swinging at 80 mph is "pulling" on your hands with around 75 pounds of force at impact.

[brownman]

Since I found TGM and began using it,I for some reason have always strived to achieve FLW "at top" of swing and relied on it through the entire swing through to finish. That being said,I came across the double wrist-cock 10-18-B,This endorses the wrist being bent at top of stroke (I believe it can add to B/swing length or clubhead travel would be more to the point,as I see it,its a valid stroke componant so long as the club is allowed to find its own in line condition at or very near impact.

Is this correct,Im really getting involved in the swingers pattern the help Im getting here is giving me a real head start into swingers pattern and Im enjoying it thanks in advance

[Daryl]

Since I found TGM and began using it,I for some reason have always strived to achieve FLW "at top" of swing and relied on it through the entire swing through to finish. That being said,I came across the double wrist-cock 10-18-B,This endorses the wrist being bent at top of stroke (I believe it can add to B/swing length or clubhead travel would be more to the point,as I see it,its a valid stroke componant so long as the club is allowed to find its own in line condition at or very near impact.

Is this correct,Im really getting involved in the swingers pattern the help Im getting here is giving me a real head start into swingers pattern and Im enjoying it thanks in advance

While the Flying Wedges are Aligned at 90 degrees, each degree of Left Wrist Bend will inversely Flatten the Right Wrist. This increases "Velocity" by decreasing (sacrificing) Mass. The "closer to the Ball" (delayed release) the less Mass (increased Velocity).

That "feeling" you have of needing to allow it "to find its own in-line condition at or very near Impact" is "Mechanically" correct. As the Left Wrist Uncocks, it is also Flattening, and the Right Wrist is correspondingly/simultaneously "Bending". During the Impact Interval, the Left Wrist is Flat and the Right Wrist is Bent.

Once CF begins to pull on the Clubhead, it will control the Orbit. Any Hand Manipulation at Release will "Stifle" CF. Which brings us back to the beginning of it all: "Dead Hands".

[brownman]

Everything is going great guns in the Swing so far,But my concern is that I seem to be making a very hard task of getting to release "Load Intact",I am trying very very hard to get in correct position withoutlosing lag.
I am trying to get in the "Hogan" release position,No secret here that Im using Hogans book in conjunction with TGM,Now,I am starting my downswing from ground-up and have tightened my pivot somewhat,R/hip back.....L/hip back,but somehow,Im still losing lag,is there some drill that will seperate hip and shoulders but still working as one,Im not too far away,as Ive hit some great shots,but its consistancy Im seeking........any help please.....cheers and thanks in advance.....BM

[HungryBear]

I have for a while taken a break from HITTING altogether in weekly game and use swinging ,every now and then I will have a HIT to keep it oiled so to speak.
The question I have is "how much "centrifugal force controls the swingers hit,let me explain,in practice mode,I will pitch with 9ir thru to 6ir sometimes a 3or4ir to around110-120 mtres using absolultly no hand of finger pressure at all other than holding on to club purposes,when I do this,the lag feeling huge,and good btw,now,when swinger is in full flight,"how much" should the hands actually do when swing gets to release,is it still C/force or do the hands actually hit.........hope you follow my question thanks in advance

I think I understand what you are asking;
The hands should be heavy and driven through impact- Drag that wet mop- but, the hands do not manipulate the club. Hogan talks about the heavy medicine ball. This is all accomplished with rhythm. If you don't do this U are likely quitting. So many do. I like to do some practice at the extremes. Trajectory control with a 64 or 68 wedge, low and crisp, with the ball forward of center. High and low with a 1 iron, needs good rhythm with no quitting. Just my feelings

HB

[drewitgolf]

Everything is going great guns in the Swing so far,But my concern is that I seem to be making a very hard task of getting to release "Load Intact",I am trying very very hard to get in correct position withoutlosing lag.
I am trying to get in the "Hogan" release position,No secret here that Im using Hogans book in conjunction with TGM,Now,I am starting my downswing from ground-up and have tightened my pivot somewhat,R/hip back.....L/hip back,but somehow,Im still losing lag,is there some drill that will seperate hip and shoulders but still working as one,Im not too far away,as Ive hit some great shots,but its consistancy Im seeking........any help please.....cheers and thanks in advance.....BM

Try rotating your Pivot from the Top slower. Over-accelerating and Over-Loading the Pivot will cause you to Release sooner than you would like as well as cause Balance issues.

[brownman]

Thanks Drew,I never saw your post before I went for hit.
What I did today that was different from the norm,was to keep R elbow tucked in a bit more,ala Ben H,that change in itself brought on a complete different "feel",it felt so much more compact and the big thing I found was my hands were more in front of my torso,and I was able to get into the release pos easier.
That was early this morn,I have to do some work now,but will try it deeper later.....Again thanks...