10-11-03 Rotating Lag Pressure Left on Aft Side

[phillygolf]

I need some help.

While I feel I have a solid grip on the rotating lag pressure point, I could never visualize how it could be left on the top side of the clubshaft. Can anyone help?

The only thing I can think of is if there is minimal, if any, release swivel.

Am I on the right track?

Thanks!

Patrick

[phillygolf]

Come on guys! Someone....

HELP!

[tongzilla]

You don't want to leave the feel of PP#3 on the top of the shaft. It should return to the aft during release via the release swivel.

[lagster]

I need some help.

While I feel I have a solid grip on the rotating lag pressure point, I could never visualize how it could be left on the top side of the clubshaft. Can anyone help?

The only thing I can think of is if there is minimal, if any, release swivel.

Am I on the right track?

Thanks!

Patrick

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As I understand it... if one goes to the END (usually shaft will be around parallel to the ground), when SWINGING, the #3 Pressure Point will rotate from AFT to the TOP of the handle.

This moves the right hand grip to more of a weak (top of handle) position, if it is left there at IMPACT. I believe if you look at Impacts of Ernie Els and Craig Perks you will see this.

It also seems to me that the Release Swivel with this variation would have a little less travel... or may FEEL that way.

[ChrisNZ]

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As I understand it... if one goes to the END (usually shaft will be around parallel to the ground), when SWINGING, the #3 Pressure Point will rotate from AFT to the TOP of the handle.

This moves the right hand grip to more of a weak (top of handle) position, if it is left there at IMPACT. I believe if you look at Impacts of Ernie Els and Craig Perks you will see this.

It also seems to me that the Release Swivel with this variation would have a little less travel... or may FEEL that way.

I think the grip isn't moving at all - so the right hand grip isn't in a weaker position (I suspect what you see with Els and Craig Perks is just hinge action or roll of the right hand over the left through impact).

What moves is the pressure. Hard to explain exactly, but I think an (inexact) analogy may help. Imagine your in a ferarri F1 car - going straight pressure of the g force is in the middle of your back, but going around a corner pressure moves to the side of your back as the forces change. But you're strapped in tight (no wobble in the cars grip on you), so your back doesn't move.

That's my (poorly explained) understanding. It could be wrong. What I'm not sure of is how exactly you would maintain this pressure (position) until impact. What the change in procedure would be. Unfortunately, this was what PhillyGolf originally asked, so I'm not being much ultimate help!

Chris

Edit: Thought about this some more. It seems to me the rotated pressure of the swinger at the top is to do with loading on the approximate plane of the wrist cock motion, which is the secondary lever assembly loading. This also seems to me to be loading for a sequenced release to some degree. Here's a hypothesis; if you're uncocking more strongly than you're rolling at impact, you'll feel pp 3 to be more on top. Alternatively, if you've dumped more of the wristcock/#2 accumulator before rolling, the pressure point will seem to be more on the aft. Thoughts?

[EC]

I need some help.

While I feel I have a solid grip on the rotating lag pressure point, I could never visualize how it could be left on the top side of the clubshaft. Can anyone help?

The only thing I can think of is if there is minimal, if any, release swivel.

Am I on the right track?

Thanks!

Patrick

Let's all consider that I am a strict interpreter of the definition of being on plane per Mr. Kelley...low end points at the plane line or the entire club is parallel to it...PERIOD.


OK, the #3 pressure point pressure rotates 1/4 turn from the aft side of the grip to the top of the grip (actually it is the bottom and under the shaft as viewed from the player's perspective) when the secondary lever loads for swinging. NOW, for the real magic...the entire power package assembly lowers vertically on its same angle of shaft inclination until release point is reached, at which time, the club throws down and out. At this critical juncture, the pressure point pressure of #3 moves from the top back to the aft side of the grip prepartory to impact. At or near release, the club head will feel slightly behind the rear (for your benefit Patrick) bent wrist, and at impact under and behind the bent rear wrist. PP# 1 and PP #3 will seem to be aligned very nearly VERTICALLY for impact and into full extension.


Easy to demonstrate, but difficult to relate via this medium.

EC

[Matt]

PP3 on the "top" of the shaft at the End is only a feeling. If you stop at the top, you can really feel the lag loading on your PP3 at right shoulder height - PP3 is directly behind the shaft as it was at address.

But if you're all the way at the end, then PP3 is going to be facing skyward and thus PP3 will feel "under" the shaft. Then in the downstroke the release swivel will throw it back behind the shaft in support for impact. Like EC said it's very easy to show in person but via words it can be a bit more difficult.

[lagster]

There is a good explanation by Yoda in the #3 In Relation to Plane Line thread.

He explains that one could leave the #3 in the Weak position through Impact, and "it would not be disasterous" to do so for the Swinger. Centrifugal force is doing much of the work for them.