The Basic Motion

[Ozgolfer]

12-5-1 Basic Motion About two feet in both directions. Zero out the Pivot, Shoulder Turn and Accumulator # 3.

Yoda demonstrates the Basic motion in the first video in the Colin Neeman lessons. In doing so he shows angled, vertical and horizontal hinging.

How can you horizontal hinge without using Accumulator 3? Yoda talks about rolling the wrist through in the second video to horizonbtal hinge.

I am a little confused.

[comdpa]

12-5-1 Basic Motion About two feet in both directions. Zero out the Pivot, Shoulder Turn and Accumulator # 3.

Yoda demonstrates the Basic motion in the first video in the Colin Neeman lessons. In doing so he shows angled, vertical and horizontal hinging.

How can you horizontal hinge without using Accumulator 3? Yoda talks about rolling the wrist through in the second video to horizonbtal hinge.

I am a little confused.

There is a difference between active motion and passive motion.

In 12-5-1, Basic Motion which Yoda is demonstrating, the #3 is passive and not active.

[Mathew]

Homer mean't, in the basic motion, you don't swivel your left palm towards the plane but you still perform the hinge action....

[Mike O]

12-5-1 Basic Motion About two feet in both directions. Zero out the Pivot, Shoulder Turn and Accumulator # 3.

Yoda demonstrates the Basic motion in the first video in the Colin Neeman lessons. In doing so he shows angled, vertical and horizontal hinging.

How can you horizontal hinge without using Accumulator 3? Yoda talks about rolling the wrist through in the second video to horizonbtal hinge.

I am a little confused.

OZ,
It's always confusing traveling the yellow brick road! But it's worth it to reach the Emerald city- I think that's where the little green guy lives.

Zeroing out the Pivot means that you don't move it.

Zeroing out the Shoulder Turn means that you don't move it.

Zeroing out the #3 Accumulator has nothing to do with movement-per se. Zeroing out the #3 Accumulator means that you have the left arm and the clubshaft in-line as viewed from down target i.e. grip it in the palm with the shaft angle at the same angle as the left arm. Once the grip is taken- you still move the left arm to make the stroke, you still move the clubshaft, you still have some kind of clubface motion through impact- HH, AH, VH. Having a zero #3 accumulator - has no influence on how your left wrist and therefore the clubface moves through the impact interval.

P.S. watch out for the Tin-Man AKA Bucket- a lot of rust on that boy! (Bring it Tin-Man!)

[12 piece bucket]

OZ,
It's always confusing traveling the yellow brick road! But it's worth it to reach the Emerald city- I think that's where the little green guy lives.

Zeroing out the Pivot means that you don't move it.

Zeroing out the Shoulder Turn means that you don't move it.

Zeroing out the #3 Accumulator has nothing to do with movement-per se. Zeroing out the #3 Accumulator means that you have the left arm and the clubshaft in-line as viewed from down target i.e. grip it in the palm with the shaft angle at the same angle as the left arm. Once the grip is taken- you still move the left arm to make the stroke, you still move the clubshaft, you still have some kind of clubface motion through impact- HH, AH, VH. Having a zero #3 accumulator - has no influence on how your left wrist and therefore the clubface moves through the impact interval.

P.S. watch out for the Tin-Man AKA Bucket- a lot of rust on that boy! (Bring it Tin-Man!)

Ah Mr. O . . . sniper firing at Bucket again I see. You must subscribe to the Bush Doctrine. This time the pot bellied lunatic has his finger on the button and WILL push it over and over and over and over.

Question to you O - What is the longest shot you would attempt with #3 zeroed out? I need a straight answer from you not no #2 (and I don't mean accumulator #2).

You have made a casting error. Bucket ain't no Tin-Man. He's the Wicked Inbred Witch from the South. Now don't make me use this broomstick young man. Please go back under your stone and play with your collection of human head popcicles packed in your fridge.

[Mike O]

Ah Mr. O . . . sniper firing at Bucket again I see. You must subscribe to the Bush Doctrine. This time the pot bellied lunatic has his finger on the button and WILL push it over and over and over and over.

Question to you O - What is the longest shot you would attempt with #3 zeroed out? I need a straight answer from you not no #2 (and I don't mean accumulator #2).

You have made a casting error. Bucket ain't no Tin-Man. He's the Wicked Inbred Witch from the South. Now don't make me use this broomstick young man. Please go back under your stone and play with your collection of human head popcicles packed in your fridge.

Tin Man- Who made you casting director?! Alright enough of the fun- I've riled you from you sofa- now go back and get the channel changer. By the way- how'd you know what was in my fridge?

Longest shot with #3 zeroed out - FOR ME.
That would be anything on the green with the putter in my hands. The vertical nature of the putter lie seems to make it fairly easy to have a zero #3 accumulator.

I personally have a #3 accumulator angle for any chip shot etc. But I think if one wanted to- a zero #3 accumulator for chips shots around the green would be a good viable option. Anything longer- not sure it would make sense.

That said - in the golfing machine- if you want to use a #3 accumulator with your driver- go ahead.

Bucket,I'll leave you with this question-If you really wanted to build a Golfing Machine,would you want to use Tin?

[Ozgolfer]

Thanks for the replies but I am even more confused now

Particularly when I looked at one of Ben Doyle's student's site , to try and get an understanding of this, (the student is an AI and he wrote)

CHIP
The first shot that one starts with is a ‘chip’. The chip is comprised of the following dynamic principles:

• A small swing with a slight pivot from the shoulder turn. Hands stay aligned with a flat left wrist and bent right wrist.

• All balls are positioned under the left shoulder or near the left toe.

• Hold your finish and verify your hand alignments - you must be able to see the same flat left wrist and bent right wrist that you had at address.

What happened to "Zero out the pivot". It seems, to my novice mind, that either TGM is not to be read literally or that Mr Kelly's instruction has been amended somewhere.

[Mike O]

Thanks for the replies but I am even more confused now

Particularly when I looked at one of Ben Doyle's student's site , to try and get an understanding of this, (the student is an AI and he wrote)

CHIP
The first shot that one starts with is a ‘chip’. The chip is comprised of the following dynamic principles:

• A small swing with a slight pivot from the shoulder turn. Hands stay aligned with a flat left wrist and bent right wrist.

• All balls are positioned under the left shoulder or near the left toe.

• Hold your finish and verify your hand alignments - you must be able to see the same flat left wrist and bent right wrist that you had at address.

What happened to "Zero out the pivot". It seems, to my novice mind, that either TGM is not to be read literally or that Mr Kelly's instruction has been amended somewhere.

"What happened to "Zero out the pivot". It seems, to my novice mind, that either TGM is not to be read literally or that Mr Kelly's instruction has been amended somewhere."

All of the above! TGM- for a chip shot allows for all or any of it- your choice- just KNOW what you're doing! Mr. Kelley would lean towards his basic motion chip shot- due to the reduced accumulators and the concept "never move anything further or farther than necessary"- for economy and simplicity of the movement. But TGM would allow for the chip shot movement with the pivot motion that you described.

Mr. Doyle has been one of the most, if not thee most avid supporter/promoter/advertisers of TGM throughout the years- however, on the wider procedural level, his approach has always been much more pivot focused, as Mr. Kelley's approach was much more hand and alignment focused.

[Yoda]

Thanks for the replies but I am even more confused now

Particularly when I looked at one of Ben Doyle's student's site , to try and get an understanding of this, (the student is an AI and he wrote)

CHIP
The first shot that one starts with is a ‘chip’. The chip is comprised of the following dynamic principles:

• A small swing with a slight pivot from the shoulder turn. Hands stay aligned with a flat left wrist and bent right wrist.

• All balls are positioned under the left shoulder or near the left toe.

• Hold your finish and verify your hand alignments - you must be able to see the same flat left wrist and bent right wrist that you had at address.

What happened to "Zero out the pivot". It seems, to my novice mind, that either TGM is not to be read literally or that Mr Kelly's instruction has been amended somewhere.

I have written before that Stage One of the Basic Motion Curriculum is an extremely abbreviated Stroke, far more so than is generally taught. Body Positions are introduced, but Body Motion is reserved for Stage Two. It is purely the application of the Arm Accumulators -- the Left (Swinging) or the Right (Hitting) but not both at the same time. Think of the Stroke as a Putt or a very short Chip.

A Stroke that is longer than "about two feet in both directions" or that introduces Body Motion has moved into Stage Two (whose motion is not to exceed -- but can be less than -- the Right Forearm level-to-the-ground position). This is true even when the Wrist Cock has yet to be introduced. To my knowledge, though, Ben Doyle teaches this Stroke as the Basic Chip Shot, not as Stage One of the Basic Motion Curriculum. Presumably, the same is true of most (if not all) those Instructors trained by him.

[Yoda]

12-5-1 Basic Motion About two feet in both directions. Zero out the Pivot, Shoulder Turn and Accumulator # 3.

Yoda demonstrates the Basic motion in the first video in the Colin Neeman lessons. In doing so he shows angled, vertical and horizontal hinging.

How can you horizontal hinge without using Accumulator 3?

Horizontal Hinging is holding the Flat Left Wrist vertical to the ground (horizontal plane) through Impact. This can be done with or without the #3 Accumulator Angle. In Stage One of the Basic Motion Curriculum, it is done 'without.'