Let's Put Steve to Work

[FL-John]

Not sure if Steve is monitoring as of yet, so all feel free to jump in. Most of my life, I have been a swinger, especially with the longer clubs. Over the last few months, I have become a bit more of a hitter....however, when I go back to think of Yoda's clip on the tee box where he says, "After a quick initial start down, the swingers shoulder acts like a flywheel and spins, Spins, SPINS."

So far so good, however, when I try to "Throw Out" and use the wrist throw, I almost always hit the ball thin and/or align more of the hosel at the ball vs the sweet spot. I personally think that I my right shoulder may be moving out a bit instead of staying back.

For those swingers out there....how do you feel or best start the downswing to start the throw out action??

Thanks!

FL-John

[Matt]

This earlier post of mine might be better suited to here.

Left Arm Swingers can experience a similar Left Elbow problem if they attempt to Pull violently from the Top using Left Arm Muscle Power. That is because the Left Arm can only apply its Power backhanded, and its muscles therefore can make only a feeble contribution to the Stroke. If you attempt to use 'will' power to force the issue, you invite trouble. True Left Arm Power lies in its function as the Stroke Radius. And that Stroke Radius is not driven by the Left Arm itself, but by the Momentum Transfer of the Turning Body.

So, if you've got pain in your Left Elbow, stop pulling so hard with that Left Arm. Instead, learn to accelerate it with your Pivot. Not only will you hit the ball much further and with more accuracy, you'll also be able to trash that arm band.

Hi Lynn,

After the requisite hip slide, what should one feel 'moves' next? I know for a Swinger, it should be a 'pull' of some kind. But in this post, you appear to say that pulling with the left arm is a no-no. Should it be a right shoulder thrust with the hands aiming? This should be clear to me by now, but every time I think "hey, I've got it" something like this will surface and make me wonder.

[EdZ]

Yes indeed - you can really feel 'leverage' of the entire body/shoulders/arm/club with the 'drag'

Use the base of your right hand to drag the back of your left hand.

Heavy, smooth POWER - from and THROUGH your entire body.

Fully SUPPORTED impact - sizzle and serious compression

[Yoda]

This earlier post of mine might be better suited to here.

Originally Posted by Yoda

Left Arm Swingers can experience a similar Left Elbow problem if they attempt to Pull violently from the Top using Left Arm Muscle Power. That is because the Left Arm can only apply its Power backhanded, and its muscles therefore can make only a feeble contribution to the Stroke. If you attempt to use 'will' power to force the issue, you invite trouble. True Left Arm Power lies in its function as the Stroke Radius. And that Stroke Radius is not driven by the Left Arm itself, but by the Momentum Transfer of the Turning Body. So, if you've got pain in your Left Elbow, stop pulling so hard with that Left Arm. Instead, learn to accelerate it with your Pivot. Not only will you hit the ball much further and with more accuracy, you'll also be able to trash that arm band.

Hi Lynn,

After the requisite hip slide, what should one feel 'moves' next? I know for a Swinger, it should be a 'pull' of some kind. But in this post, you appear to say that pulling with the left arm is a no-no. Should it be a right shoulder thrust with the hands aiming? This should be clear to me by now, but every time I think "hey, I've got it" something like this will surface and make me wonder.

Matt,

The Swinger uses the Turning Body to Accelerate the Left Arm through the #4 Pressure Point (the side of the chest). Momentum Transfer (2-K) does the job, not Left Arm Muscle Power. Pulling too hard with the Left Arm not only potentially causes injury, it causes the Arm to overtake the Body and the Arm to leave the Chest. Thus, the #4 Pressure Point is lost, and the Downstroke Release Sequence is destroyed (6-M-1).

[DDL]

You just described something that I was doing. My solution was to stop "trying" to throw out. I did this by keeping very loose wrists and trying to drag the club horizontally past the ball, as if I was trying to miss the ball (Ben Doyle shows this on his tape). It's a bungee jump, but, CF throws it out -- every time, on time, as long as you don't allow muscular effort or tension to overide the CF.

It is a lot like Yoda's Impact Bag video -- Impact is irrelevant--drag the Lag to Follow-through! The looser my wrists and the more I try to drag the club past the ball, the more solid my contact. I never felt such a heavy #3 PP until I started doing this.

Is the above described motion the same as a straight line path of the hands from the top of the BS to impact hands location, "trying to miss the ball " as you say ? I aim my hands at the ball, but I never feel #3PP, except maybe at the beginning of the DS.

I am starting to hate the aiming point procedure described in TGM, which induces 'flippyness' of the wrists. I never saw the Ben Doyle tape, but the Chuck Evans right forearm angle of approach video, the Yoda impact bag video, and your description of the Ben Doyle video all point to hands being pulled or pushed straight from the top to the impact hands location, not the ball.

Thx

[Yoda]

I am starting to hate the aiming point procedure described in TGM, which induces 'flippyness' of the wrists. I never saw the Ben Doyle tape, but the Chuck Evans right forearm angle of approach video, the Yoda impact bag video, and your description of the Ben Doyle video all point to hands being pulled or pushed straight from the top to the impact hands location, not the ball.

Correctly executed, DDL, the Aiming Point Concept (6-E-2) produces alignments identical with those of the Impact Hand Location Concept (7-8 ). The former is the indirect equivalent of the latter (6-E-1). But as Homer says, "When in doubt, there is always the Impact Fix Hand Location procedure" (6-E-2).

Note: The as-yet-unpublished 7th Edition of The Golfing Machine includes a revision to 6-E-1. In the 5th sentence (6th Edition page 82), change 'Flat Left Wrist' to 'Impact Hand Location.'

[6bmike]

Lynn,

Since many of us may never see the 7th edition in our lifetime .

In your spare time (as if :P ) could you post the changes?

We (I) have some of them but gathered in one place would be nice and USEFUL.