Golf Swing Evaluation

[Fingersen]

Aloha!

Anyone care to take a look and point out faults....?

http://media.putfile.com/Face_On_6_iron
http://media.putfile.com/Down_the_line_6_iron

Cheers

[Sonic_Doom]

Nice motion, especially like your first move away to flatten the wrist. I'm not in a position to point out faults-maybe there are none!

CW

[Mike O]

I'll be back!

But help us out- what's your handicap. What are you working on? How long have you played? Any typical bad shots?

And for other forum members- come on guys- any advice/feedback? Where's the help for a fellow forum member?

[EdZ]

The core issue is your takeaway move, hands moving 'away' from you right off the bat.

You recover well, and have a really solid move, but you will be 'much' more consistent if you get the first part of your takeaway down.

If you have a copy of Hogan's 5 lessons, look at page 80, top left of the page. That is the area you are off. Your hands move 'away', where Hogan has kept the hands 'inside' the clubhead (no 'lift and turn')

Split grip drills are good for this feel, especially done with the shaft resting on a picnic bench or similar. Just remember to 'trace the plane line', so that you don't get too inside. Imagine a beam of light coming out of the shaft, or another excellent image, that the shaft is a pencil and you 'draw a line', while keeping those hands inside the clubhead per the picture in Hogan's book.

[neil]

Looks like a little extensor action could help.Nice move though.

[powerdraw]

could someone post 2 pics of hands inside clubhead arc and outside of it so i can smash that in my noodle once and for all? i dont have the hogan book...thanks everyone.

[xyzgolfAZ]

1. Your stroke motion was excellent. 95% would be happy, 98% should be. You are a "swinger." However, your motion needs some "structure."
2. I saw some backstroke rehearsal, but no Impact-fix check?
3. After starting and pausing until my computer crashed to observe various key moving positions, I have the following comments:
* Nice 3/4 top of backswing.
* Loose finish. "Stick it." Watch Tiger and most others.
* From behind, check your arm address positioning from behind vs. Impact. Maybe getting closer to Impact fix at address would be a benefit? In effect, reduce correction motions.
* It appears that there is some throwaway at Impact, at least it is visible when clubhead is 1 foot past Impact. Could not stop the video at closer then one foot before or after closer.
* Half-way down, it appears that the flat left wrist position, as seen from behind, at the top, has turned into a "cupping" condition which requires a correction a Impact. This has to do with "structure." This is usually the result of learning golf early when full strength does not exist. In some ways that is the look of your excellent stroke motion. However, remember that with any repeatitive motion, one teaches the sub-conscious and creates mind/muscle neural network connections that are hard to change/overcome.
* It seems to me that you should have a slightly faster "hip" re-rotation choice onto a straightening left leg just before, at, or after Impact based on what is most natural for you! Maybe none of these can be natural?
* At address your feet and shoulder aim does not match. This is not a problem, but a choice, depending on what plane-line dictates the desired Impact-plane direction.
* I think that the upper legs should touch at the finish indicationing a consistent syroke effort. This is not a requirement only an indicator.

Regards,
sj

[Mike O]

Aloha!

Anyone care to take a look and point out faults....?

http://media.putfile.com/Face_On_6_iron
http://media.putfile.com/Down_the_line_6_iron

Cheers

Ball contact sounded really good - I'd say that if you're a really low handicap- then you've got a nice pattern. However, if you're not a low handicap or would like to improve, then looking at the face on video - see how much your rehearsal looks like your full motion/power swing is what I noticed. Need to start to improve that rehearsal move to make some important changes 1) Notice the right wrist flattening out, 2) Notice hardly any weight shift (sliding hips), looks like your grooving two bad things in your swing - with that practice move. As a result- notice the flat feet through impact and no hip rotation through impact, with the right wrist flattening, the left wrist bending and the left arm folding- all at impact but notice-able shortly after impact.

From behind- tied in with the early release- do a frame by frame as you finish the backswing and start the downswing- see that odd move where there's either an uncocking of the wrists or you're moving the hands further away as you start down.

A) Don't hit off of matts- find some grass where you can take a divot.
B) Work on the pre-rehearsal of the downswing- the hands go down and forward- with the right wrist bent and the left flat- as a result the hips slide and then rotate.
C)Check yourself on video.

Good Luck! Good Golfing!

[tongzilla]

...I'd say that if you're a really low handicap- then you've got a nice pattern. However, if you're not a low handicap or would like to improve...

Very funny Mike!

[Mike O]

Very funny Mike!

Just for clarification- I wasn't trying to be funny. The better the player the more variations I would allow. That's why I wanted him to let us know his handicap, etc. No sense changing Lee Trevino's arched left wrist at the top- if he's got a pattern that works well.

Now, it's just me but if the same player had a Lee Trevino looking swing but was a 40 handicap - then I would try to make it more conventional- simpler. Likewise, I'd be a little nervous or careful about changing a component in Lee Trevino's swing- I'd rather have him understand the components in his swing and realize where things might go wrong- or how all the components add up or offset to produce good golf shots.

So it's a combination of how well the pattern's ingrained and how proficient the pattern is - that would determine if you want to change it- ofcourse, combined with the goal of the student.