pitching ideas with Peltz and Ben Doyle

[mark]

have any of you guys read or worked with mr peltz? with the ideas of his pitching 7.30 , 9.00 , 10.00 o clock , with the ball position in the middle between your ankles, ????????? would love to here what you think, I have worked and trained with Ben Doyle one third two third pitching, this really helped myself, but with Peltz pitching I control the distance much better, is his ideas swinging or hitting ???????? sustain the lag!!!!!!

[Matt]

Originally posted by Yoda:

Let the Golf World continue to employ the 'Seems As If' of distance control through length of backswing. You now have something far more scientific and dependable: Clubhead Lag Pressure Point Pressure. Use your Computer (Chapter 14) and the technique presented in 6-C-2-0 -- your 'normal' Pressure varied in plus or minus five-yard increments -- and you will become deadly accurate. I promise you that a major league outfielder does not have one length of 'backswing' for the throw to second base; another to third base; and still another to home plate. Instead, his Computer instantly calibrates the distance necessary -- it varies with each fielded ball! -- and his educated hand delivers the exact amount of thrust -- lag pressure! -- to deliver the baseball right on the money. That's why they earn the Big Bucks!

Learning to control your distance by controlling your Lag Pressure is fun. I suggest you buy a set of small orange field cones -- available at sports stores -- and use them as yard markers in practice. A set of six cones works nicely, e.g., one at 75 yards and the next five at 80, 85, 90, 95 and 100 yards. Or whatever other yardages you're working on, e.g., 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, and 50 yards. That's for wedge play. For even more fun, use the other Clubs, too. For example, if your normal three iron carry is 200 yards, put the cones out at 185, 190, 195, 200, 205, and 210 yards. Practice the technique with your Driver, too. You know, 275, 280, 285, 290, 295, and 300 yards . Now, that really is fun! And, by the way, it's also something that the 'different lengths of swing' school will never understand!

[rwh]

A great find, Matt -- and thank you Yoda. I'm off to the contractor's supply for a stash of orange cones!

[mark]

thanks guys for your thoughts , and Yoda s wisdom, look forward to having Yoda in Germany and learning more sustain th lag! mark

[metallion]

I have gone back from the Pelz system and now pitch entirely by "feel". So what is this mystical "feel" so many are talking about without being able to discuss further?

Yodas comments are obviously excellent.

"Feel" is "lag pressure".

I almost feel embarrassed I never thought about that.

This was a great thread. I am ready to go to the practice area to hit a bunch of balls. Ideas of interesting drills and experiments are quickly filling up my task list for the next session.

[EdZ]

Also, remeber chapter 14 - VISUALIZE - and you will find your computer program running quite nicely very quickly.

There is even merit to doing this away from the course relaxing in your favorite chair.

If you can't see it, you aren't likely to do it.

The Pelz approach only works if you are a true CF swinger, which is not going to work well when your tempo is off. IF you can keep your tempo the same, it can work - but - it is far easier to learn what Lynn describes, as well as to use it under pressure.

Let the picture in your head be your guide. Trust it and your computer will work with amazing accuracy.

[oztrainee]

Pelz stuff is quite mechanical. When was the last time that we are using a ruler to measure the distance, before we are trying to throw a piece of waste paper to the waste paper bin. Do we think about 9 'o clock, 10 'o clock?

feeling the club head lag pressure...is important (Feel back from the hands) - I think if we can grip the club (soft flex driver) soft and firm, try shaking the club with little pressure "With our finger". If we can stress the shaft.... could we call that Lag pressure?

Try hitting a ball with one hand (Left hand) and it is so difficult if we are just lifting/moving the club rather then feeling the lag pressure.

Understand the correct mechanics is the reassurance of our believe (our sole), feeling of the shot is the "spirit".

[john riegger]

remember look look in the book.same applies on pitching and chipping.if you play catch with a ball you do not take your arm to 9,10 oclock.it is all instinct.try setting up to a 20 yard pitch shot and look where you want the ball to land.now bring your eyes back to the ball.as soon as your eyes return start your stroke.you will hit the ball the correct distance every time.
i use this on all my shots from 60 yards in,play these shots with your eyes,this is playing by feel.just like driving a car,you drive with your eyes.hope this helps.if you have any questions let me know

[YodasLuke]

remember look look in the book.same applies on pitching and chipping.if you play catch with a ball you do not take your arm to 9,10 oclock.it is all instinct.try setting up to a 20 yard pitch shot and look where you want the ball to land.now bring your eyes back to the ball.as soon as your eyes return start your stroke.you will hit the ball the correct distance every time.
i use this on all my shots from 60 yards in,play these shots with your eyes,this is playing by feel.just like driving a car,you drive with your eyes.hope this helps.if you have any questions let me know

I agree, John. You must see the distance and react to it. I've never worked with a Tour player that thought in percentages of the swing (9 or 10 o’clock). They simply feel it.

On the shorter shots, the club feels like a feather. On the longer the shots, the club becomes heavier. The shortstop in baseball that catches the ball as he lands on his stomach and tosses it to second feels a light pressure against the ball in release. The guy in center field that's on the warning track and throws it home feels a very heavy ball or maximum pressure. The eyes see the target and the hands sense the pressure required to get it there.

[tongzilla]

remember look look in the book.same applies on pitching and chipping.if you play catch with a ball you do not take your arm to 9,10 oclock.it is all instinct.try setting up to a 20 yard pitch shot and look where you want the ball to land.now bring your eyes back to the ball.as soon as your eyes return start your stroke.you will hit the ball the correct distance every time.
i use this on all my shots from 60 yards in,play these shots with your eyes,this is playing by feel.just like driving a car,you drive with your eyes.hope this helps.if you have any questions let me know

Some fantastic real world advice from a player who's been there and done that.

Thank you!