True Extensor Action

[purehitter]

You want to start the pushing up plane action with the right hand and the pulling down plane action of the left hand at the end of the take away or when you start cocking the left wrist up or when you start folding the right elbow letting this action cock the left wrist for the back swing. Also the pushing action from the right hand is from the index and thumb pp#3 and the pulling pressure is from the last three fingers of the left hand pp#2. This feel is like what is described in TGM as pulling on both ends of a rope.

True extensor action is achieved using PP#3 pushing up plane and pp#2 the last fingers of the left hand pulling down plane. In TGM book the opposing pressure is from the left shoulder joint. It is much more precise if the pulling is from the last 3 fingers of the left hand and it will feel like an isometric exercise when done correctly with the right hand over powering the left a little on the back swing and the left overpowering the right a little on the down swing.

During the down swing it is important that the pull from the left hand is produced with the down swing pivot and not just a pull of the left arm.

You do not want to use a pushing out force with pp#1 at all when doing this action on the back swing and some might have a little bit of separation of the right heel pad off of the left thumb. This is ok as it will reconnect on the down swing and does not change alignments.

You do not need to pinch the grip hard with the index and thumb of the right hand but have enough firm pressure in the index and thumb of the right hand to push up without the right hand sliding up the grip.

As you start the down swing you have a few options.

Here are 3 options I teach with a ¾ back swing. There are more possibilities depending on back swing length and release point.


1. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand just prior to the release.

2. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand about half way down where the shaft is vertical and start adding thrust with the right arm straightening from pp#1 the pad of the right hand pushing against the left thumb towards the ball through impact to the end of follow through.

3. Just prior to the release you can pull harder with the last 3 fingers of the left hand towards the left pocket while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction while applying the thrust from pp#1 towards the ball. This will produce maximum power but takes some practice to get the sequence correct. This action will have the feel of the hands moving left through impact.

To Better Golf,



John W Rohan-Weaver CMAI, GSEM

[Thom]

As I wrote here http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...1919#post61919 I've added the purehitter EA of opposing pressures to my putting stroke and it's working very well.

I'll certainly experiment with this kind of EA in the full motion, since I suffer from pushing the hands off-plane a bit, when using EA as a pushing down on pp#1 alone.

[garagefan66]

Much easier for my to do this type of extensor action. It gives my stroke structure and it easier for me to keep the right forearm bend at address. I haven't tested it on the course yet but it feels great in drill and at the range.

[innercityteacher]

I am shocked by the power and repeatability of the hitting motion with the trail arm!

This is my second day using it on the range after reading the right arm magic pdf kindly given to me by Kevin.

I started the day hitting small chips with impact hands and then extended the chips to longer more distant targets on the range. The balls flew straight at the targets unless my hands flipped.

At times I could feel as if I was pushing both hands right at the ball almost punching the ball almost 200 yards with my 3 wood.

I ran into trouble with my 14 degree or 3+ wood and driver. Out of frustration I decided to pull with my left hand and push with my right to my front big toe and the ball held its line as at rocketed to its first bounce near the 200 yard marker and beyond.

My front leg is 1.5 inches shorter so I think I don't need to start down with planting my front foot but tomorrow I'll try that and also try carrying the pivot and hands pulling/pushing left. As it is, I'm thrilled.

Thanks!

You want to start the pushing up plane action with the right hand and the pulling down plane action of the left hand at the end of the take away or when you start cocking the left wrist up or when you start folding the right elbow letting this action cock the left wrist for the back swing. Also the pushing action from the right hand is from the index and thumb pp#3 and the pulling pressure is from the last three fingers of the left hand pp#2. This feel is like what is described in TGM as pulling on both ends of a rope.

True extensor action is achieved using PP#3 pushing up plane and pp#2 the last fingers of the left hand pulling down plane. In TGM book the opposing pressure is from the left shoulder joint. It is much more precise if the pulling is from the last 3 fingers of the left hand and it will feel like an isometric exercise when done correctly with the right hand over powering the left a little on the back swing and the left overpowering the right a little on the down swing.

During the down swing it is important that the pull from the left hand is produced with the down swing pivot and not just a pull of the left arm.

You do not want to use a pushing out force with pp#1 at all when doing this action on the back swing and some might have a little bit of separation of the right heel pad off of the left thumb. This is ok as it will reconnect on the down swing and does not change alignments.

You do not need to pinch the grip hard with the index and thumb of the right hand but have enough firm pressure in the index and thumb of the right hand to push up without the right hand sliding up the grip.

As you start the down swing you have a few options.

Here are 3 options I teach with a ¾ back swing. There are more possibilities depending on back swing length and release point.


1. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand just prior to the release.

2. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand about half way down where the shaft is vertical and start adding thrust with the right arm straightening from pp#1 the pad of the right hand pushing against the left thumb towards the ball through impact to the end of follow through.

3. Just prior to the release you can pull harder with the last 3 fingers of the left hand towards the left pocket while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction while applying the thrust from pp#1 towards the ball. This will produce maximum power but takes some practice to get the sequence correct. This action will have the feel of the hands moving left through impact.

To Better Golf,



John W Rohan-Weaver CMAI, GSEM

[hansli]

You want to start the pushing up plane action with the right hand and the pulling down plane action of the left hand at the end of the take away or when you start cocking the left wrist up or when you start folding the right elbow letting this action cock the left wrist for the back swing. Also the pushing action from the right hand is from the index and thumb pp#3 and the pulling pressure is from the last three fingers of the left hand pp#2. This feel is like what is described in TGM as pulling on both ends of a rope.

True extensor action is achieved using PP#3 pushing up plane and pp#2 the last fingers of the left hand pulling down plane. In TGM book the opposing pressure is from the left shoulder joint. It is much more precise if the pulling is from the last 3 fingers of the left hand and it will feel like an isometric exercise when done correctly with the right hand over powering the left a little on the back swing and the left overpowering the right a little on the down swing.

During the down swing it is important that the pull from the left hand is produced with the down swing pivot and not just a pull of the left arm.

You do not want to use a pushing out force with pp#1 at all when doing this action on the back swing and some might have a little bit of separation of the right heel pad off of the left thumb. This is ok as it will reconnect on the down swing and does not change alignments.

You do not need to pinch the grip hard with the index and thumb of the right hand but have enough firm pressure in the index and thumb of the right hand to push up without the right hand sliding up the grip.

As you start the down swing you have a few options.

Here are 3 options I teach with a ¾ back swing. There are more possibilities depending on back swing length and release point.


1. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand just prior to the release.

2. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand about half way down where the shaft is vertical and start adding thrust with the right arm straightening from pp#1 the pad of the right hand pushing against the left thumb towards the ball through impact to the end of follow through.

3. Just prior to the release you can pull harder with the last 3 fingers of the left hand towards the left pocket while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction while applying the thrust from pp#1 towards the ball. This will produce maximum power but takes some practice to get the sequence correct. This action will have the feel of the hands moving left through impact.

To Better Golf,



John W Rohan-Weaver CMAI, GSEM

Hello John,

I read the above after having been through the following. While dry-swinging in the gymhall I incidentally pinched my left thumb a little harder than usual in the backswing. I felt immediately that it must be a good thing to add this little power to the extensor action push with my heelpad. When I tried at the range to combine pp#1 push with a small pp#3 pinch I got a fascinating feeling of control. The hit sounded like stonesmashing and I think I came to another break through in my swing. I have to add that I have begun to start my backswing slower and in more control.
Your description of what should happen and how it should feel is among the best I have read. I have though a question. At the end you give three alternatives. In the third you say that " while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction". Does this mean that you still pull at the two ends of the rope at release?

From a wintry westcoast of Sweden

Hans

[innercityteacher]

John, I get it, imho. My shorter front leg which I shift to like I think Yoda does , sort of presets #2 pp (last 3 fingers of left hand) because as I pull my left arm up with my right elbow, my left heel rises and I let it. My artificial left hip is stiff and planting or bumping forward slings the left arm in motion while I am simply focused on my right heel palm crushing into the ball.

Is it TMG logical?

I can do it regularly and want to do it better!

Hello John,

I read the above after having been through the following. While dry-swinging in the gymhall I incidentally pinched my left thumb a little harder than usual in the backswing. I felt immediately that it must be a good thing to add this little power to the extensor action push with my heelpad. When I tried at the range to combine pp#1 push with a small pp#3 pinch I got a fascinating feeling of control. The hit sounded like stonesmashing and I think I came to another break through in my swing. I have to add that I have begun to start my backswing slower and in more control.
Your description of what should happen and how it should feel is among the best I have read. I have though a question. At the end you give three alternatives. In the third you say that " while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction". Does this mean that you still pull at the two ends of the rope at release?

From a wintry westcoast of Sweden

Hans

[KevCarter]

John, I get it, imho. My shorter front leg which I shift to like I think Yoda does , sort of presets #2 pp (last 3 fingers of left hand) because as I pull my left arm up with my right elbow, my left heel rises and I let it. My artificial left hip is stiff and planting or bumping forward slings the left arm in motion while I am simply focused on my right heel palm crushing into the ball.

Is it TMG logical?

I can do it regularly and want to do it better!

It worked pretty well for a gentleman named JACK for a very long time!

Teach, EVERYTHING is TGM logical. No right, wrong, best. Focus on the imperatives and everything else is fair game. The fewer compensations the better, but you have to do what works for you and your body.

I really like the idea of starting with the basic pattern, 12-1, IN THE 6th EDITION, and make changes as needed from there.

Kevin

[innercityteacher]

Thanks Kevin, John for the insights!

[O.B.Left]

True extensor action is achieved using PP#3 pushing up plane and pp#2 the last fingers of the left hand pulling down plane. In TGM book the opposing pressure is from the left shoulder joint. It is much more precise if the pulling is from the last 3 fingers of the left hand and it will feel like an isometric exercise when done correctly with the right hand over powering the left a little on the back swing and the left overpowering the right a little on the down swing.

[During the down swing it is important that the pull from the left hand is produced with the down swing pivot and not just a pull of the left arm.

Ive written this post and erased it before but given this threads re surfacing.......


The above is interesting but remember we are in the Lab here and this is not to be found in the book. Not as written anyways, maybe kind of sort of.

The Pivot pulling on the #2 PP sounds like Drag Loading 10-19-C to me. Yoda does talk about Extensor Action in Startdown "Taking out the slack in the left side" as the Swingers Pivot turns the Left Shoulder to stretch the Left Arm as EA is thrusting the other way. In fact 12-3-0 Section 7's Startdown , thefirst point is "Extensor Action". This is Homers Extensor Action 6-B-1-D. The steady effort of the Right Triceps to straighten the Right Arm (but never doing so given the Left ARms check rein action) , either at PP#1 (left arm only stretch from shoulder to pp1) or at PP#3 (which will stretch the club and left arm together , in line, like pulling on both ends of a string........a short shot mainly thing where this form of EA can snap the Hands into an Impact Hands condition quickly, in Startup). See 10-19-0.

On the other hand, the two opposed Extensor Actions described above , running between , pp#3 and #2 would only stretch the area of the grip between those two points would they not? And not stretch the left arm. I did goof with it when putting for a while as it allowed me to keep my bent left arm. But I dont do it anymore. It had a sort of push me pull you kind of feel.


If it works for you great but the "True" Extensor Action is in the book to my mind. I believe this concept discussed here can put the left and right arms in conflict as the left is no longer passive. Homer thought the two arms, given the fact they had different orbits ( they attach to the body at different points) were in conflict. He solved this problem by making the Left Arm Passive, String Like, which required EA supplied by the right side to provide some structure (even for Passive Right ARm procedures as this Right Side Thrust is not directed towards the ball but away from the left shoulder along the line of the left arm.) Sort of like an artificial CF when you think about it. Hmm.

Sorry if I sound like a book literalist or something but Extensor Action is one heck of an amazing thing........... as written. And so I feel compelled to defend it. Its aint hard , its like defending the need for a constant radius to scribe a perfect circle............ uh, literally. The string that runs from the Center (Left Shoulder) to the pencil (#1 pp) or whatever , must be taught to draw a perfect circle. That isnt Homers "truth" its just the truth. It doesnt work so well when two arms each with their own center are both at work.

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[innercityteacher]

Thanks OB. I think I just realized your points or at least one of them.

The slack has to be taken out of the left arm to preserve the arm's track as the right elbow pushes the hell out of it. Pushing the arm away from the left shoulder determines the track of the shot.

Today, I kept pushing a lot of shots to the right by about 10 degrees. I was trying to solve the problem by fully stretching forward "to my left pocket." The resulting shot, hit on the upswing, results in high draw. The problem is that my left triceps is sore and I think you've explained why. Stretching the arm away from the left shoulder and out also helps the left arm pivot and sets-up the follow-through also,I'll wager.

Thanks!


Patrick

The above is interesting but remember we are in the Lab here and this is not to be found in the book. Not as written anyways, maybe kind of sort of.

The Pivot pulling on the #2 PP sounds like Drag Loading 10-19-C to me. Yoda does talk about Extensor Action in Startdown "Taking out the slack in the left side" as the Swingers Pivot , Ground Up, turns the Left Shoulder to stretch the Left Arm. In fact 12-3-0 Section 7's first point is "Extensor Action". This is Homers Extensor Action 6-B-1-D. The steady effort of the Right Triceps to straighten the Right Arm either at PP#1 (left arm only stretch from shoulder to pp1) or at PP#3 (which will stretch the club and left arm together , in line, like pulling on both ends of a string........a short shot mainly thing where this form of EA can snap the Hands into an Impact Hands condition quickly, in Startup). See 10-19-0.

Two Extensor Actions opposed to each other and running between , pp#3 and #2 would only stretch the area of the grip between those two points would it not? And not stretch the left arm. I did goof with it when putting for a while as it allowed me to keep my bent left arm. But I dont do it anymore. It had a sort of push me pull you kind of feel.


If it works for you great but the True Extensor Action is in the book as written to my mind. I believe this concept discussed here, though close to usable, if taken literally can put the left and right arms in conflict as the left is no longer passive. Homer thought the two arms, given the fact they had different orbits ( they attach to the body at different points) were in conflict. He solved this problem by making the Left Arm Passive, String Like, which required EA supplied by the right side to provide some structure (even for Passive Right ARm procedures as this Right Side Thrust is not directed towards the ball but away from the left shoulder along the line of the left arm.) Sort of like an artificial CF when you think about it. Hmm.

Sorry if I sound like a book literalist or something but Extensor Action is one heck of an amazing thing........... as written. And so I feel compelled to defend it. Its aint hard , its like defending the need for a constant radius to scribe a perfect circle............ ah, literally.

Try and avoid this situation with the two arms. Stick with the stretched radius (left arm). The geometry demands it.

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