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Old 10-25-2005, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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Is the #3 pressure point also rotated for a swinger who ends at TOP?

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12 Piece...

When you say top, do you mean top per 8-6 or top arc per 10-23-C and 10-23-D. I was at first confused with Lynn's answer...and want to make sure I understand your reference.

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Old 10-25-2005, 05:53 AM
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The Top location for a Swinger is The End.
All players reach the Top, which can either be the Top (for Hitter) or the End (Swinger).

Now I have a similar question:

For a Swinger performing Basic or Acquired motion (chip or pitch), should they feel the quater point turn even though the hands are no where near the End?

Now, the reason Yoda gives for the feel of quater point turn is because of the effect of gravity and momentum of the club as it approaches horizontal. If this is the only reason, then the swinger should not feel this quater point rotation to the top of the shaft when doing chips or pitches.

However, could the mere act of longitundinally accelerating the club (i.e. Drag Loading) also rotate this pressure point from the aft to the top of the shaft?
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:57 AM
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If you can put together a premium site for $40, sign me up. I think this is the best golf site on the Internet already, but the more videos you can add, the better.
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Old 10-25-2005, 10:10 AM
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I am signed up at the $40.00/yr site and also go to Manzella's site often and do have all of his stuff (bought and paid for).

To tell you the truth, I really like the idea of being able to download the movies too and would be willing to pay as I go.

For example, the last series you posted (Colin), I would have paid for easily since it gave insight into what you (Yoda) focus on with a student. Fair price? Well, Manzella would have charged around $7.00 per 30 minutes so add up the time to see where you would stand.

I subscribed to Chuck's site after I did a trial and found the video seqments useful in clearing the fog. I'm not sure I would have subscribed except you can't see all of the responses in the forum UNLESS you subscribe so I caved.

Now the big question, will I subscribe again? Not sure I will, but will give Chuck this year to see where he goes with his site.

What I would really LOVE TO SEE is a video explaining TGM from front to back, Chapter by Chapter. I would pay for a series that does that because there is a niche for it out here in golfland. I think the book (once read two or three times) plus the websites can help but more detailed explainations would be welcome on video. I know this would not replace working with an AI, but since I am working full time, and travelling too, it would be a great alternative.

Long winded, sorry. My suggestion, work up some premium site materials and offer a short 30 day temp subscription to judge the response. I think $40.00 per year is a good indicator of what you can get but you should really offer the material as a download at that price. If the response is low (or no interest) then try the Manzella approach and put up materials for a price (Paypal works great) on select topics and see where that takes you.

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Old 10-25-2005, 10:42 AM
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Selling videos, either by subscription or pay-per-vid will not generate any significant amount revenue. This site should act as a front-end that sucks people into The Biggies such as seminars, schools and live lessons. Attempting to find a pricing scheme that profit maximises is not the right idea here. We should try to get as many people interested as possible, get them shouting, "please give me more!". If all the good stuff (e.g. Lynn's teaching vid) has to be paid for, then it's hard to create this level of interest, especially for newbies (remember they make up the bulk of the market) since people are unlikely to pay for things they don't know much about. So by making content too exclusive, you are making this front-end entrance smaller, the funnel that ultimately leads people to experience the biggies.
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:10 AM
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Total agreement Tong. The harsh reality is that there is not enough G.O.L.F.ers out there to generate any significant amount revenue with a pay site if money is the only reason to set one up.
But I do think that a pay as you learn will help set off some cost and time to sysops and instructors for going the extra mile.

I know that the set up on CE’s forum is elaborate and takes time to set up and maintain. That is a lot of work which justifies any effort on his part to generate profit.

I do agree with selling sizzle to buy the steak. What is the steak?
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:27 AM
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Loading The Swinger's Lag Pressure Point
Originally Posted by tongzilla
The Top location for a Swinger is The End.
All players reach the Top, which can either be the Top (for Hitter) or the End (Swinger).

Now I have a similar question:

For a Swinger performing Basic or Acquired motion (chip or pitch), should they feel the quarter point turn even though the hands are no where near the End?

Now, the reason Yoda gives for the feel of quarter point turn is because of the effect of gravity and momentum of the club as it approaches horizontal. If this is the only reason, then the swinger should not feel this quarter point rotation to the top of the shaft when doing chips or pitches.

However, could the mere act of longitundinally accelerating the club (i.e. Drag Loading) also rotate this pressure point from the aft to the top of the shaft?
The Swinger typically uses Standard Wrist Action to Turn and Cock the Left Wrist on the Backstroke and Uncock and Roll it during Release. Also, in full Strokes, he tends toward a longer Backstroke (End) wherein the Club travels past the Top (of the Line Delivery Path). As he approaches the Top (of the End Backstroke), he will sense the Clubhead Lag Pressure begin to Load against the first knuckle of the Right Hand (and the Top of the Shaft). This Loading is completed by Drag Loading during the Start Down.

Where the Top of the Stroke is not the End, i.e., it is either at the Top of the Line Delivery Path or at the Side (any point along the Path to the Top), he will feel the Lag Pressure Load against the first knuckle during the Start Down.

In both cases, this top-of-the-Shaft Pressure Point Loading ideally is replaced by a back-of-the-Shaft Loading as the Release Swivel begins the Rotation of the Hands into Impact.

The Swinger (who employs Centrifugal Throw-Out Action to drive the Club) may choose to use Single Wrist Action instead of Standard. However, unless using a true Single Action (10-18-C-3) wherein the Left Wrist remains vertical to the ground at all times (as in the Turning Shoulder Plane of 10-6-D), the Pressure Point Pressure must not be allowed to Rotate to the Top of the Shaft. Hence, he should be aware of the relative incompatibility of the End Backstroke and Drag Loading (as opposed to Drive Loading) when using this procedure.

Alternatively, the Swinger may use Special Wrist Action (10-18-F) wherein a Single Wrist Backstroke is followed by a Standard Wrist Action Downstroke (with its Top-of-the-Shaft Loading as discussed).
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:32 AM
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This thread is beginning to sound like lunch at one of the workshops with several topics being discussed. LOL
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This thread is beginning to sound like lunch at one of the workshops with several topics being discussed. LOL
My fault, Mike. I thread-jacked when I asked about premium content. As you were, gentlemen!
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Old 10-25-2005, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by phillygolf
12 Piece...

When you say top, do you mean top per 8-6 or top arc per 10-23-C and 10-23-D. I was at first confused with Lynn's answer...and want to make sure I understand your reference.

Thanks!
I was talking about top of the straight delivery path TOP with the hands basically at shoulder height.

For me going to END monkeys everything up.

Thanks!

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