Right forearm takeaway

[Delaware Golf]

Hmmmmm I have always used right forearm takeaway for everything...

Right Forearm Takeaway with extensor action with stage one (putting and chip shots with an iron) and three stage (all full shots with Hitting or Swinging)...

Right Forearm Takeaway with full sweep loading stage one and two...

DG

[teach]

I wonder if I don't understand what a right forearm takeaway is. To me, it refers to bending the right elbow upward while doing nothing with the hands and wrists. In other words, while retaining the right arm flying wedge. Am I correct about this? I just sudied the picture (Thanks, Ben), "Flying Wedges Assembly in Startup," however, and I don't see any bend in the right elbow.

On page 226, Homer describes the basic motion as being, "about two feet in both directions." So do all of you bend your right elbow very slightly on your chipping backstroke and then pull with your left arm on the very short downstroke to get a swinging feel? I'm realizing as I type this that a further part of my confusion is that I'm learning to use centrifugal force in order to swing. However, in a chip, there really is no centrifugal force, right?

Finally, for now, I think that the fog would be cleared in 10 seconds if I were able to see a slow-motion video clip of a swinger's chip that uses the RFT. I have seen videos of Bobby, Ben, Brian, Mike Jacobs, and Rick Nielsen, and all seem to my untrained eyes to use an abbreviated shoulder turn takeaway for their chipping. I fervently hope that Yoda will cover this when his DVD comes out.

Thank you all once again for your help.

teach

P.S.- Birdie_man, once I straighten this out, I'll look into your post on putting. Right now, I can't visualize how RFT could be used for putting either, but that's obviously because my coconut is missing something.

[birdie_man]

P.S.- Birdie_man, once I straighten this out, I'll look into your post on putting. Right now, I can't visualize how RFT could be used for putting either, but that's obviously because my coconut is missing something.

In short Teach, all it is is you tracing the Plane Line with your Right Forearm. Instead of rocking your shoulders or w/e.....you use your R. Forearm. Works great for me.

[rwh]

I wonder if I don't understand what a right forearm takeaway is. To me, it refers to bending the right elbow upward while doing nothing with the hands and wrists. In other words, while retaining the right arm flying wedge. Am I correct about this? I just sudied the picture (Thanks, Ben), "Flying Wedges Assembly in Startup," however, and I don't see any bend in the right elbow.

On page 226, Homer describes the basic motion as being, "about two feet in both directions." So do all of you bend your right elbow very slightly on your chipping backstroke and then pull with your left arm on the very short downstroke to get a swinging feel? I'm realizing as I type this that a further part of my confusion is that I'm learning to use centrifugal force in order to swing. However, in a chip, there really is no centrifugal force, right?

Finally, for now, I think that the fog would be cleared in 10 seconds if I were able to see a slow-motion video clip of a swinger's chip that uses the RFT. I have seen videos of Bobby, Ben, Brian, Mike Jacobs, and Rick Nielsen, and all seem to my untrained eyes to use an abbreviated shoulder turn takeaway for their chipping. I fervently hope that Yoda will cover this when his DVD comes out.

Thank you all once again for your help.

teach

P.S.- Birdie_man, once I straighten this out, I'll look into your post on putting. Right now, I can't visualize how RFT could be used for putting either, but that's obviously because my coconut is missing something.

teach,

Have you factored in Extensor Action ?

In a proper set up, the flying wedge assembly will result in some degree of bend in the Right Arm at Address. Extensor Action is the effort to straigten your Right Arm more than what it is at Address. However, the Left Arm acts as a rein ["checkrein", as Mr. Kelley termed it in the book] that prevents the Right Arm from straightening all at once. Instead, the Right Arm straigtens gradually as the Left Arm goes from Address to the Top of the Backstroke. Similary, the Right Arm gradually straightens as the Left Arm moves down, out and forward through Impact.

This is why the Right Elbow will not bend as much on a chip or putt as opposed to a pitch or full swing. The great thing is that you don't have to worry about it. The reining action of the Left Arm does it automatically -- as long as you employ Extensor Action!

[teach]

rwh,

Thanks for your reply. I will experiment with extensor action tomorrow. Unfortunately winter has now arrived and I will have to work on everything indoors for a while. Maybe that's a good thing, as I can just concentrate on the proper motions without the ball interfering.

teach

[okie]

Teach
I send you a personnal message with attached file (Word file)
You will have Yoda's post (Flying wedges . A photo tour ) wit all the 11 photos. Let me know if it is OK.
Sorry not to include the photos in this message , but it was too difficult.
If anybody else need the photos , let me know.
PM

Just ambling through and stumbled on this...are these pictures still out there somewhere?

[Kumabjorn]

And I encountered this because it was among "New Posts". I got curious because in my putting I use a cross handed grip (left hand low) but I assume that RFT is still the way to go, despite the grip?

Also, PP#3 isnot on the shaft with a cross hand grip. Is that a no-no? Will I need to change grip, or is it acceptable that PP#3 is in contact with the left hand instead of the grip?

[6bmike]

Fan and clap- Try a big fan and clap. The outward fan is the RFT. It is a take-away that is not pushed by the left shoulder but moved by the right forearm on plane- Out Up and IN. Even Basic motion is out up and In- those three movements are the incline plane. If you think basic motion is a stiff triangle move of the shoulders going only outward along the base line- yuo are wrong in your impression. Allow the right elbow to fold- this will cock the left wrist, flatten and left hand as the right hand remains LEVEL and bends to its impact fix flying wedge alignment. Take the shoulders out of the take- away. Far my useful as a connection between the pivot and power package on the down stroke

[plgolfer]

teach,

Have you factored in Extensor Action ?
Instead, the Right Arm straigtens gradually as the Left Arm goes from Address to the Top of the Backstroke.

Did you not mean "the Right Arm bends gradually as the Left arm goes from Address to the Top of the Backstroke"

[Mathew]

Teach,

Learn to use your Right Forearm Flying Wedge on the HORIZONTAL PLANE (like baseball) . . . This should help from the archives:

keeping your On Plane Right Arm Flying Wedge Intact and on a Horizontal Plane.

Shift your Body into its Impact Fix Alignments.

Keeping your Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact -- that means Right Wrist Bent and dowel parallel to the floor (or ground) -- move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Backstroke by Bending your Right Elbow.

From there, move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Downstroke STRAIGHTENING YOUR RIGHT ARM WHILE KEEPING YOUR WRIST BENT. Do this over and over and over and over and over.

Look, Look LOOK to make sure there is ABSOLUTELY NO FLATTENING OF THE RIGHT WRIST!!! IT MUST REMAIN IN ITS BENT AND LEVEL CONDITION.

Then drop your Right Forearm Flying Wedge onto the Inclined Plane and REPEAT THE EXACT SAME MOTION. Do this over and over and over and over and over. Bend the Right Elbow. Straighten the Right Elbow. Keeping the Right Wrist Bent.

Alternate back and forth between Horizontal Plane practice and Inclined Plane Practice. Listen to the dowel Swish as you Straighten the Right Elbow. Do this every day until further notice.

The key alignment that is overlooked is LEVEL. Everybody can get the Bent part wrt/ the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. But if your Right Wrist ain't LEVEL . . . you ain't got no wedge!!! Never Never Never COCK your Right Wrist. The Right Wrist DOES NOT take the club UP . . . keep your head betwixt your feets . . . keep your Right Wrist LEVEL and BENT . . . take the club UP Plane with your Right Forearm by BENDING your elbow.

Unfortunately the PIC are NO LONGER THERE!!!

Trig . . . Can we fix the Magic of the Right Forearm Primer pics? They are TOO GOOD to not be out here SOMEWHERE . . .

I have a bone to pick with this post because what your actually saying with this idea of a constant degree of wristbend is impossible with anything other than shots preformed with angled hinging with no usage of the acc. no 2 or 3 (basic motion). I completely disagree with your interpretation of the right flying wedge.

I do realise that short shots is what is being addressed but have seen you say this before many times where this is not applicable.

The myth of constant degree of wristbend - Lets just take the swinging procedure for these examples ok - The right hand is turned towards the inclined plane. Now a constant degree of wristbend is impossible because the right arm is bending.

This picture I created a while back will help illustrate this...



The myth of the level right wrist. How the right flying wedge really works is that when the right hand turns towards the plane on the backstroke - what was wristbend becomes wristcock and the right forearm is aligned to making its motion directly opposed to the inclined plane with a direct relationship with the clubhead. If you turn the right hand and maintain a level right wrist - you have infact destroyed the right flying wedge... infact what your saying is actually a bit silly.

What your saying is that you think the forearm would point along this line...



You have still have alot to learn.....