Delivery Line Uncocking Prep

[c21heel]

I'm a little confused about the concept and application of Delivery Line Uncocking Prep. I've watched the Swinger's Swivel Vide and although it makes perfect sense when you see it in action. I'm struggling with actually applying it.

Anyone have any techniques or advice to get the feel for this move? Thanks!

[Mathew]

I'm a little confused about the concept and application of Delivery Line Uncocking Prep. I've watched the Swinger's Swivel Vide and although it makes perfect sense when you see it in action. I'm struggling with actually applying it.

Anyone have any techniques or advice to get the feel for this move? Thanks!

The uncocking and roll preparation is an extremely important concept as you make your strike (ie karate chop for swinging) towards the plane line and your aiming point. When you make the initial startdown this better be right or your going to be letting the clubhead control you but this concept gives you the ability to control it.

The uncocking and rolling happens on the plane line, this is the way the clubhead overtakes you around a flat left wrist. The rate of this overtaking is called rhythm and we can align our left wrist vertical to a plane to give a control this overtaking which is called hinge action.

Your at the top of the backstroke - you visualise the plane line - you prepare to make your strike at a point on that line. You must be in a position to make that strike

If your swinging I would recommend hitting a few thousand balls left handed, because it is the only way your going to test and know that your left arm action is good or not. From the top, drag the club along the plane line until your in a position to strike with a bottom fist strike (commonly called Hammerfist or the japanese term - Tettsui Uchi and note that with this strike - the wrist remains cocked) directly towards the aiming point on the plane line. When your thrust is a straight line and your arm still moves in a circularish motion - when your line of thrust intersects this circle, the clubhead will start to overtake the left arm. You allow to uncock and roll back to a level and vertical condition relative to the ground whilst the back of the left hand strikes the the hinge action plane. Then impact has occured and your in an approximate followthrough position - allow your wrist to turn directly towards the plane to swivel into the finish - like you were preparing to make the bottom fist strike in the opposite direction - just like you should be doing on the backstroke to prepare for the downstroke....Once you do this - you could practice incorporating the right hand with a double overlapping grip as a practice aid....

[12 piece bucket]

The uncocking and roll preparation is an extremely important concept as you make your strike (ie karate chop for swinging) towards the plane line and your aiming point. When you make the initial startdown this better be right or your going to be letting the clubhead control you but this concept gives you the ability to control it.

The uncocking and rolling happens on the plane line, this is the way the clubhead overtakes you around a flat left wrist. The rate of this overtaking is called rhythm and we can align our left wrist vertical to a plane to give a control this overtaking which is called hinge action.

Your at the top of the backstroke - you visualise the plane line - you prepare to make your strike at a point on that line. You must be in a position to make that strike

If your swinging I would recommend hitting a few thousand balls left handed, because it is the only way your going to test and know that your left arm action is good or not. From the top, drag the club along the plane line until your in a position to strike with a bottom fist strike (commonly called Hammerfist or the japanese term - Tettsui Uchi and note that with this strike - the wrist remains cocked) directly towards the aiming point on the plane line. When your thrust is a straight line and your arm still moves in a circularish motion - when your line of thrust intersects this circle, the clubhead will start to overtake the left arm. You allow to uncock and roll back to a level and vertical condition relative to the ground whilst the back of the left hand strikes the the hinge action plane. Then impact has occured and your in an approximate followthrough position - allow your wrist to turn directly towards the plane to swivel into the finish - like you were preparing to make the bottom fist strike in the opposite direction - just like you should be doing on the backstroke to prepare for the downstroke....Once you do this - you could practice incorporating the right hand with a double overlapping grip as a practice aid....

Great post!

[EdZ]

I'm a little confused about the concept and application of Delivery Line Uncocking Prep. I've watched the Swinger's Swivel Vide and although it makes perfect sense when you see it in action. I'm struggling with actually applying it.

Anyone have any techniques or advice to get the feel for this move? Thanks!

Best way to get the feel is very slow motion start down waggles through to both arms straight.

The key is understanding the left arm motion from the shoulder joint - like a swinging gate. Very easy to see and feel if you hold your left arm up at shoulder level, with the arm parallel to the ground and let it move back and forth like a lighthouse light beem. Then keeping the same 'feel' of the swinging gate at the left shoulder hinge, lower the arm down to golf posture, keeping that left wrist still verticle to the ground and the swinging gate feel at the shoulder.

Notice the right arm straightening provides the correct rate of 'closing' as the left wrist turns/rolls to keep the wrist verticle to the ground. It is somewhat of a 'level' feeling motion to the rhythm, still the feel of a left handed frisbee throw, on the inclined plane. Chances are good that for many it feels more 'out' than they are used to (unless they are using a very steep plane angle).

Once you get this feel in slow motion, you should begin to get a clear picture of why it is a sequenced release, uncock, then roll - because that ensures that you are both on plane, and that you have maintained both flying wedges alignments during the motion.

[c21heel]

Thanks for the replies; they are all very much appreciated. All of you obviously understand the concepts very well, especially impressive is your ability to verbalize the moves.

After reviewing the replies, I went to the golf course today and struck the ball very well with what I think is the correct move. Here is how I visualized it...

First, I imagined Hogan's plane of glass sitting on my shoulders. At the top of the swing, I imagined the logo of my glove sliding inside against the plane of glass all the way down while uncocking my wrist. At that point, I would allow centrifugal force to take over and square the clubface into a finish swivel. It worked like a champ, but we all know that feel is not always real. Additonally, it was a very powerful feeling to have the right arm inside the left to start the downswing as this prevented me from coming over the top.

Is this visualization something I should continue to work with?

Thanks again.

[Mathew]

Thanks for the replies; they are all very much appreciated. All of you obviously understand the concepts very well, especially impressive is your ability to verbalize the moves.

After reviewing the replies, I went to the golf course today and struck the ball very well with what I think is the correct move. Here is how I visualized it...

First, I imagined Hogan's plane of glass sitting on my shoulders. At the top of the swing, I imagined the logo of my glove sliding inside against the plane of glass all the way down while uncocking my wrist. At that point, I would allow centrifugal force to take over and square the clubface into a finish swivel. It worked like a champ, but we all know that feel is not always real. Additonally, it was a very powerful feeling to have the right arm inside the left to start the downswing as this prevented me from coming over the top.

Is this visualization something I should continue to work with?

Thanks again.

The one problem here is that the left arm is not on the plane - it is above plane - the arm works like a spiraling cone getting ever closer to the plane on the downstroke until it finally manages to reach it in followthrough.... This means in practical terms - the strike is made with the hand - the left arm does not glide on the plane which why I am not a great fan of the frisbee idea Edz pointed out earlier (although I do see good points about the example too). Your hand has to be thrusted cross-line in order to comply with the outward specifications of the plane which is why Hogan actually thought that the plane tilted to the right. Remember that because your standing to one side of this moving radius - it is going to appear to be going outwards until it approximately passes your left foot.

Visualisation is key to alot of games and can be hard to initially incorporate, but by practicing eventually you should program yourself to just doing it without it being a hardship. The best pool players are the ones that understand the geometry and force and are best able to visualise it - eventually they just the see the shots, where they are aiming...etc - the best golfers are no exception - its a game of geometrically aligned force...it is just generally harder for people to accept that due to the influence of golf digests and those of the same type - 'position golf'....

[12 piece bucket]

Your hand has to be thrusted cross-line in order to comply with the outward specifications of the plane which is why Hogan actually thought that the plane tilted to the right.
Visualisation is key to alot of games and can be hard to initially incorporate, but by practicing eventually you should program yourself to just doing it without it being a hardship. The best pool players are the ones that understand the geometry and force and are best able to visualise it - eventually they just the see the shots, where they are aiming...etc - the best golfers are no exception - its a game of geometrically aligned force...it is just generally harder for people to accept that due to the influence of golf digests and those of the same type - 'position golf'....

That may be one of the MOST ASTUTE observations on HOGAN that I have ever read. I have read a lot of books about Hogan. None have made a more relevant point.

Wonder what those pool sharks would be like if the had to shoot from the side of the ball with a hooked-tipped que?

You are on fire in this thread my friend!

[c21heel]

12 Piece Bucket, not to change the subject, but about the only thing that would make this thread more exciting is a good ole Cheerwine to drink while reading it. I noticed you are from North Carolina....a little less than two months before UNC Basketball!

[12 piece bucket]

12 Piece Bucket, not to change the subject, but about the only thing that would make this thread more exciting is a good ole Cheerwine to drink while reading it. I noticed you are from North Carolina....a little less than two months before UNC Basketball!

Thank GAWD too! The football team has had some freakin' b-ball numbers hung on them. I SOOOOO want a top 20 football program to live in Kenan Stadium. I barely graduated down there in nineteen and ninety-five. No place like. Carolina girls!!!!

Drank 2 20oz Cheerwines today dawg. SUNdrop.

[Mathew]

That may be one of the MOST ASTUTE observations on HOGAN that I have ever read. I have read a lot of books about Hogan. None have made a more relevant point.

Wonder what those pool sharks would be like if the had to shoot from the side of the ball with a hooked-tipped que?

You are on fire in this thread my friend!

Thanks 12piece

It keeps coming back to the simple geometry. Schools give geometry a bad name. Seeing everything move in motion in alignment is just truely beautiful sight. Hey even hackers strokes have a certain charm - seeing broken machines spurting out and skattering balls through an endless set of compensations.

I recon I could beat alot of the real felt rippers I see in pool halls (esp with 8-ball where I could play alot of tactics) if I stood on the table and played with any golf club....lol. Can you imagine the killer break...lol