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Old 03-24-2007, 07:35 AM
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swing left, and look like this
If I get one more guy that's been told to swing left, I'm going to pull the rest of my hair out. I believe he had plenty of left.
This was our first lesson, so there's plenty more to do. But, this was a good start.
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Old 03-24-2007, 10:39 AM
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Ted,
That 'swing left' stuff from you know who's instruction is absolutely amazing to me. That guy believes the base line of the plane is a friggin circle????? What is with that???

Good job on straightening out another lost soul.
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Old 03-24-2007, 03:49 PM
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Good job man. Swing left is something that I am working hard to get rid of (Ted will know what I am talking about)
So what is the next step in helping this guy on?
Alex
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Old 03-24-2007, 07:51 PM
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looks like working on that right elbow bend a little. Hard to tell from the angle but looks like he has that right arm bent to 120 degrees wich is causing him to bend heis left arm
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Old 03-24-2007, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke View Post
If I get one more guy that's been told to swing left, I'm going to pull the rest of my hair out. I believe he had plenty of left.
This was our first lesson, so there's plenty more to do. But, this was a good start.

Ted,

What do you think the point of swing left means? Do you believe it's a startdown to impact thought/concept/methodolgy??? Your thoughts?

Another question...Did this golfer personally study with the golf instructor who teaches this swing left approach or did this individual read a book that told him to swing left?

DG

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Old 03-24-2007, 10:11 PM
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he had bad concepts, but perfect application
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Ted,

What do you think the point of swing left means? Do you believe it's a startdown to impact thought/concept/methodolgy??? Your thoughts?

Another question...Did this golfer personally study with the golf instructor who teaches this swing left approach or did this individual read a book that told him to swing left?

DG
Mainly, I think that it's a total misunderstanding of the geometry. People see the clubhead blur in a circle, so they attempt to draw circles instead of straight lines. Also, the circle seems to match a rotary motion. I asked him about his concepts. He spoke mostly about body power, turning hard to the left, etc. I think most of his information came from reading magazine articles and hearsay.

I've seen a mat that wanted you to trace a circle with a laser ("F" in geometry). Needless to say, Homer had it right about tracing the straight baseline. 2-J-3 shows us the visual equivalents. Simply placing balls on the ground to cover with the clubhead does not consider the geometric basis of the inclined plane. How would one decide the degree of curvature? There are no degrees of straight lines. Either you're tracing a straight line, or you're not. It's that simple.

You can't drop your hands straight down from the top, then rotate like a compass. The club goes down, out, and forward simultaneously and on-plane. They are not sequenced motions as some teach.
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Old 03-24-2007, 10:22 PM
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wait until I fix his Impact
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Good job man. Swing left is something that I am working hard to get rid of (Ted will know what I am talking about)
So what is the next step in helping this guy on?
Alex
After the plane change, he went from a 100 yard 7 iron to a 140 yard 7 iron. After a few expletives, he said he couldn't believe it.

I saved his Impact pictures (wow!!), so I can't wait until he returns. We're going to educate his hands. The next change will truly be remarkable.
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Old 03-24-2007, 10:27 PM
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Mark Evershed uses a laser at the end of a club and he demonstrates tracing a straight plane line after impact with a bent right wrist. He explains the hands have to move left to keep the point of the laser on plane. He calls it swinging the hands left. Is this what we're talking about here?
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Old 03-24-2007, 11:14 PM
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Mark Evershed uses a laser at the end of a club and he demonstrates tracing a straight plane line after impact with a bent right wrist. He explains the hands have to move left to keep the point of the laser on plane. He calls it swinging the hands left. Is this what we're talking about here?
Based on Ted's comments, it appears the swing left is not coming from Evershed. The swing left concept that Mark teachs is acutally 1-L-15, a post impact condition.

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Old 03-24-2007, 11:23 PM
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Mainly, I think that it's a total misunderstanding of the geometry. People see the clubhead blur in a circle, so they attempt to draw circles instead of straight lines. Also, the circle seems to match a rotary motion. I asked him about his concepts. He spoke mostly about body power, turning hard to the left, etc. I think most of his information came from reading magazine articles and hearsay.

I've seen a mat that wanted you to trace a circle with a laser ("F" in geometry). Needless to say, Homer had it right about tracing the straight baseline. 2-J-3 shows us the visual equivalents. Simply placing balls on the ground to cover with the clubhead does not consider the geometric basis of the inclined plane. How would one decide the degree of curvature? There are no degrees of straight lines. Either you're tracing a straight line, or you're not. It's that simple.

You can't drop your hands straight down from the top, then rotate like a compass. The club goes down, out, and forward simultaneously and on-plane. They are not sequenced motions as some teach.
Ted,

Why doesn't 1-L-13 mention the word "Forward"???

And why does Homer mention the golf swing in this way in 12-5-0...."Use a slow, smooth motion up-and-back, down-and-out and up-and-in the same distance in both directions and continously as possible." No mention of forward there either???

DG

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