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Old 04-12-2007, 08:30 PM
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Hi Loren,

Try releasing the right hand during impact.
In my teaching experience, it is the unruly right hand that causes the left hand and arm to malfunction.
Doing so, you will notice that the left wrist will remain flat all the way to the finish.

I was taught this drill personally by Gregg McHatton, GSED.
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:11 PM
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The Myth of the Right Hand 'Release'
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Try releasing the right hand during impact.

I was taught this drill personally by Gregg McHatton, GSED.
You do not execute a correct Finish Swivel by 'releasing the Right Hand.' You execute a correct Finish Swivel by Rolling and Re-Cocking the Flat Left Wrist.

And that is how it should be learned.

Except in a deliberate Throwaway procedure or perhaps to a degree in a Right Arm Swing, there is no 'release' of the Right Hand during Impact.

There is a Release of the Cocked Left Wrist as the Clubshaft seeks its In-Line condition with the Left Arm, i.e., Full Extension.

There is the Release of the Turned Left Hand as it Rolls and allows the Clubhead to overtake the Hands.

And, for Hitters, there is the Active Release of the Bent Right Elbow as the Right Triceps straightens the Right Arm and drives the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb.

But...

There is no release of the Right Hand, the Bent Right Wrist and the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (Pressue against the forefinger).

Ideally, the Right Wrist is never Cocked (Perpendicular Motion) during the Backstroke -- so it cannot be Uncocked during the Downstroke. Instead, it is only Bent (Horizontal Motion) -- and that Bent condition is maintained through Impact and for as long as possible into the Follow-Through. There is no Flattening through Impact (also a Horizontal Motion) because any Flattening of the Right Wrist becomes Left Wrist Bend.

Throughout the Stroke, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and its alignments support the Left Arm Flying Wedge and its alignments. And through Impact, it assures an On Plane Motion by Tracing the Straight Line Base Line of the Inclined Plane.

From the Top, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge only Rotates (Rolls to the left). The Right Wrist does not Flatten nor does it Uncock.The Left Arm Flying Wedge only Uncocks and likewise Rolls. Consequently, the Left Wrist never Bends.

Any other movement invites Horizontal Motion through Impact.

And that spells Geometric disaster.
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Old 04-12-2007, 10:04 PM
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Greg has also shown me this drill and I think when compda said "release", he was actually meaning to let go of the club with your right hand completely.

Correct me if I'm wrong compda?

btw, some great info in your response there Yoda!
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Old 04-12-2007, 10:36 PM
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Greg has also shown me this drill and I think when compda said "release", he was actually meaning to let go of the club with your right hand completely.

Correct me if I'm wrong compda?
Well, that would explain things.

However, when you do such a drill and physically 'let go' of the club with the Right Hand -- obviously emphasizing the Pivot, its Transport of the Power Package to Release and the subsequent centrifugally-driven Left Wrist Uncock and Left Hand Roll -- remember that you have also forfeited the Right Hand's Lag Pressure Point. And since Lag Pressure is the basis of the Golf Stroke, it must at some point be recaptured in the mind of both the Student and the Instructor.

In any event, this conversation once again highlights the need for a unified Golfing Terminology. The word 'Release' in TGM has a very specific meaning -- an Out-of-Line Condition seeking its In-Line Condition. And that meaning is far removed from a physical letting go of the club.

If we don't speak the same language, how can we possibly communicate?
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Old 04-13-2007, 12:27 AM
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Well, that would explain things.

However, when you do such a drill and physically 'let go' of the club with the Right Hand -- obviously emphasizing the Pivot, its Transport of the Power Package to Release and the subsequent centrifugally-driven Left Wrist Uncock and Left Hand Roll -- remember that you have also forfeited the Right Hand's Lag Pressure Point. And since Lag Pressure is the basis of the Golf Stroke, it must at some point be recaptured in the mind of both the Student and the Instructor.
I have personally experienced some very good ball striking with this method in the past. However, I know it was because my right hand/arm action was not up to scratch and by letting go, it could not disrupt the "centrifugally-driven Left Wrist Uncock and Left Hand Roll". It of course, didn't change the fact that I needed to do more work on my right side's role...

Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
In any event, this conversation once again highlights the need for a unified Golfing Terminology. The word 'Release' in TGM has a very specific meaning -- an Out-of-Line Condition seeking its In-Line Condition.

And that meaning is far removed from a physical letting go of the club.

If we don't speak the same language, how can we possibly communicate?
Amen to that Yoda! I would have thought the same thing myself had I not seen and done the drill myself with Greg. It's the same reason I cannot stand reading golf magazines anymore


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Old 04-13-2007, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
Jim,

No doubt, Angled Hinging results in less Clubface Layback (and hence more distance) than does Vertical Hinging. But, that is not the whole story here.

Try this little experiement:

Hit two full shots with a five-iron using Angled Hinging. On the first, stop at the end of the Follow-Through. On the second, complete the Stroke with a Finish Swivel. Determine for yourself which Stroke yielded the greater distance and report back. Thanks!

Yoda I know I don't post much on your site. Sorry for that. However this is a great subject. Keep it up! What does this do for your camp when it has a round house effect? I am fully a hitter and it would seem my swivel is full when my left arm is level to the ground.

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Old 04-14-2007, 05:05 AM
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how do you drill in the finish swivel then? am i blunt with my posts or what? lol
A good feel or visual is to "catch rain drops" with your left palm somewhere between the follow through and the finish. This will aid in your effort to roll the left hand instead of bending it.

It's OK to be blunt powerdraw I'm sure at some time or another, we are all guilty of only being able to write something quick and short because we are supposed to be at work, working and get distracted reading LBG!

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Old 04-15-2007, 11:08 AM
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It's OK to be blunt powerdraw I'm sure at some time or another, we are all guilty of only being able to write something quick and short because we are supposed to be at work, working and get distracted reading LBG!

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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
You do not execute a correct Finish Swivel by 'releasing the Right Hand.' You execute a correct Finish Swivel by Rolling and Re-Cocking the Flat Left Wrist.

And that is how it should be learned.

Except in a deliberate Throwaway procedure or perhaps to a degree in a Right Arm Swing, there is no 'release' of the Right Hand during Impact.

There is a Release of the Cocked Left Wrist as the Clubshaft seeks its In-Line condition with the Left Arm, i.e., Full Extension.

There is the Release of the Turned Left Hand as it Rolls and allows the Clubhead to overtake the Hands.

And, for Hitters, there is the Active Release of the Bent Right Elbow as the Right Triceps straightens the Right Arm and drives the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb.

But...

There is no release of the Right Hand, the Bent Right Wrist and the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (Pressue against the forefinger).

Ideally, the Right Wrist is never Cocked (Perpendicular Motion) during the Backstroke -- so it cannot be Uncocked during the Downstroke. Instead, it is only Bent (Horizontal Motion) -- and that Bent condition is maintained through Impact and for as long as possible into the Follow-Through. There is no Flattening through Impact (also a Horizontal Motion) because any Flattening of the Right Wrist becomes Left Wrist Bend.

Throughout the Stroke, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and its alignments support the Left Arm Flying Wedge and its alignments. And through Impact, it assures an On Plane Motion by Tracing the Straight Line Base Line of the Inclined Plane.

From the Top, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge only Rotates (Rolls to the left). The Right Wrist does not Flatten nor does it Uncock.The Left Arm Flying Wedge only Uncocks and likewise Rolls. Consequently, the Left Wrist never Bends.

Any other movement invites Horizontal Motion through Impact.

And that spells Geometric disaster.

Take a look at this beauty I found while scrounging around, digging for the buried treasures.


Damn, that's a good post. I wonder why Homer didn't say the Right Forearm Wedge "Revolves" around the Hinge. I certainly understand his meaning of Roll, but it's confusing to a lot of people.
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post

Take a look at this beauty I found while scrounging around, digging for the buried treasures.


Damn, that's a good post. I wonder why Homer didn't say the Right Forearm Wedge "Revolves" around the Hinge. I certainly understand his meaning of Roll, but it's confusing to a lot of people.
Man, great find Daryl!

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