The Right Arm and the Flail.

[Andy R]

Having my right arm control the flail is blowing my mind...

Although my right arm Hits fairly well, I just can't seem to get it involved in my Swinging motion. With hitting my left arm is completely passive, but with Swinging my right arm is completely passive.

My swinging motion uses the left arm as a flail, very #4PP and #4ACC-centric, with a slight 10-18-B Double Wrist Cock at the top of my backstroke, although generally, through impact my left wrist releases freely and vertically with no right wrist breakdown.

Extensor action and manipulation of my left arm by the right seem to throw me off completely while swinging.

The good news is, living in upstate New York, I've got all winter to work on it.

Anyways, what are your thoughts on the subject of the right arm's role in the Flail? How do you keep it from disrupting Centrifugal Force? Any left arm-centric folks have successful conversion stories they'd like to share? lol

Thanks.

[okie]

" Remember, even for Swingers, the Right Arm is never completely passive.

The Right Triceps is always active -- from Start Up to Follow-Through -- with Extensor Action (the Right Arm stretching the Left through Pressure Point #1 / the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb).

Also, driven by the Right Shoulder, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge -- the Right Forearm, Bent Right Wrist and Lag Pressure Point #3 (first joint of the right forefinger) -- will always deliver its 'stiff-wristed slap' (Major Basic Stroke / 10-3-B / usually heavy laden with Clubhead Lag Pressure) directly at the Aiming Point (usually, the Ball).

So, the 'dirty little secret' of The Golfing Machine is that, Hitting or Swinging, Four Barrels or Three, the Stroke is very much a "right arm approach to the whole game" (First Edition / 1-F)." - Yoda

This was a liberating revelation to me. The right arms is never completely passive!

[SwingNorthtoSouth]

As Brian Gay states, the forearm is the key to the whole thing.
Think of it as your own personal Tour Guide !!!

[biomechanic]

Okie, your views which is awesome couldn't agree more, Yoda's quote hit's the nail on the head.
Do you think this is a mistake a lot of swingers make by not applying this?
I'm interested to hear your views on this?

[okie]

I think it has a lot to do with not knowing the difference between active and passive. I'm not talking semantics, but rather kinesthetics. How does active feel to you? I swing, but I feel that right tricep, what I am really feeling is extensor action, but if you have never felt your triceps engaged in this manner it has the feel of some kind of activity. I simply do not know how one can not sense your right arm as somewhat active when it is being straightened, as opposed to straightening it. Pulling or pushing it is straightening, and of course this induces a right tricep feel of some kind. It took "hitting" to teach me the difference between active/passive. I was very surprised to find how active passive really is! Passive Activity? It took a journey to appreciate where I live! The danger of course is switting. Understanding the role of the right shoulder has allowed me to keep the hitting/swinging seperate ...fly-wheel v. launching pad.

[biomechanic]

Thank you,
I agree, I use to teach all my students to do both swing or hit, so they could choose what suits them, In my early days I made this mistake myself and was very interested
in your views and experience.
Switting I'm not sold on a 4 barrel swing could be a big debate cause this is what you could call switting. swing from the told and hit at the bottom.

Most tour players swing from the top and hit at the bottom when measured, although video wouldn't indicate this.

I swing from the top ad hit a the bottom, work for me.
but I can do either, I can swing and know how to hit, I love being a hitter.

long drivers hit at the bottom

[nuke99]

The way the right elbow is positioned and the arm role in supporting the assembly really makes a difference IMO.

if the right arm is in a slightly more pitch position . in a position to pull the shaft longitudinally.. swing. Slower rate of closing. Fast overtaking.

and fans open.. more punch position.. it will be in a position to push the shaft.. Faster rate of closing . Slow overtaking.

[Yoda]

The way the right elbow is positioned and the arm role in supporting the assembly really makes a difference IMO.

if the right arm is in a slightly more pitch position . in a position to pull the shaft longitudinally.. swing. Slower rate of closing. Fast overtaking.

and fans open.. more punch position.. it will be in a position to push the shaft.. Faster rate of closing . Slow overtaking.

Excellent, nuke. I've bolded areas of emphasis:

We're talking about the #3 Accumulator (Left Arm / Clubshaft Angle) . . . and its Maximum versus Minimum Trigger Delay, right?

[Jeff]

Yoda

What do you think of Biomechanic's idea that one should swing from the top and hit at the bottom?

I get the impression from reading your archived posts that you believe that a swinger uses the PA release sequence of 4:2:3 and that there is no active hitting (active release of PA #1) in the late phase of a swinger's downswing action because centrifugal action alone accounts for release for the club and that there would be no benefit, and a considerable risk of harm, if a golfer attempted to actively hit at the bottom by actively releasing PA #1.

Jeff.

[drewitgolf]

Yoda

What do you think of Biomechanic's idea that one should swing from the top and hit at the bottom?

I get the impression from reading your archived posts that you believe that a swinger uses the PA release sequence of 4:2:3 and that there is no active hitting (active release of PA #1) in the late phase of a swinger's downswing action because centrifugal action alone accounts for release for the club and that there would be no benefit, and a considerable risk of harm, if a golfer attempted to actively hit at the bottom by actively releasing PA #1.

Jeff.

Can be done.
Difficult to do correctly.
Not worth the effort for most.