I have a feeling that there is a big green grin on someone's face.
Kev, I can't remember if it was in Alignment Golf or if it was somewhere else on this wonderful site that 'ol Yoda, said exactly what I posted.
I responded in the same way you did!
Great threads Yoda, the assisted struggle for the 21st Century!
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
To arrive at a correct top position, turned shoulder plane for instance, you need to first take your right hand "up" and "back" but hardly "in" at all.
Good post, OB. It was a strange revelation. It also gave me a wicked case of the shanks that took me a couple weeks to shake, but just like every other time I've been to the swamp, my game ultimately improved because of the change.
Jeff and Ted really helped me with an on-plane takeaway at Cuscowilla. Hard to believe how 'up' it is. I feel like I'm picking the club almost straight up in front of me while I pivot back.
Yep I had the same thing from Jeff. Just pickup and turn. Wierd feeling and one that I am still getting used to.
Alex
Is what you are describing a "Turning Shoulder Plane" procedure, OB?
Hey BBax.
Wasnt trying to but I see how you might have thought that. I have edited my previous post slightly to correct that.
The demonstration was really just to show that regardless of your chosen plane angle the "in" of the three dimensional takeaway is mainly attributable to the pivot.
The arms go up , the pivot goes back. They net out in some manner.
You could do the demo in another manner. With just your right arm and no club, swing back to top as per your normal swing. Then return your shoulders to a parallel to the line position while holding your hand in the air as at top. Your right arm and hand will move considerably closer to the plane line. The degree of "in" you have lost is the degree supplied by the pivot. It will be most of it.
Now when your hands are educated , hands to pivot, the brain sends the hands to their desired place and the pivot follows along accordingly , perfectly without us being conscious of it at all. Like reaching, grabbing for something. We do this all the time and should do it when golfing too.
Good post, OB. It was a strange revelation. It also gave me a wicked case of the shanks that took me a couple weeks to shake, but just like every other time I've been to the swamp, my game ultimately improved because of the change.
I am still flighting the "IN" element...more more hints please.
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
Been practicing this a lot since Cuscowilla -one reason I've not been posting!
I've got to the stage where I'm trying to start with moving the right hip back and the left knee in, whilst monitoring pp#3.Swinging from the feet.
I have experimented with the shoulders starting the take away ,but I have a tendency to freeze with my right hip if I do this. Keeping your eye on the ball and getting the hands synchronised to the pivot with good rhythm is the key for me -I have a tendency to be very aggressive on the downswing and it really feels very effortless when i get it right.
HULA,HULA!
I am still flighting the "IN" element...more more hints please.
I remember we both had similar takeaway issues when we were at the range together in Hong Kong.
Neil and OB posted some excellent tips here. I had to activate my pivot a little more on the backswing - think about the Macdonald drills for this. Starting with basic and aquired motion also helped, as it was hard to hit the ball with the right amount of 'up' and no pivot, even on short shots. Having somebody watch you do it is the best way to see and feel the right action. It took some convincing on Jeff's part for me to believe I was on plane.
A Smart Stick is also a great way to see if you're on plane. flashlights and hand-held lasers are too easily manipulated IMO.
Also, not being so far 'in' with my arms and laid off with the club at the top meant a totally different start down and downswing feel, but that's for another thread...
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