First post and video

[ZingMan]

Hi everyone,
I've been trying S&T for the last while (about 6 or 7 months) and haven't been having a lot of success. My main problems are that my lower centre moves forward too fast and that I can't hold the wedge through impact. I'm still giving this swing a shot, but I've been considering going to a more traditional swing. My main reason is that there are no instructors in my area that understand S&T and learning it by myself from a forum is proving to be VERY difficult (although I must say thanks to N. Clearwater and all the guys who have helped me so far...my swing is better than it used to be for sure).

In the videos below, I'm still doing my S&T swing....well sort of. I was working on a suggestion on keeping my weight back to help slow down the movement of my lower centre. Pretty much I tried to keep my weight on the outside of my right foot to help control the movement of the lower centre. The other things I was working on was a better hinging of my left wrist and trying to direct my hands at a forward aiming point (I'm reading the Impact Zone right now). Because I was working on all these things a few things are a little out of whack (like how loose my arms are at the top of the swing).

I'm using a 9 iron in the video and there are 2 shots. The first is a 3/4 swing that went about 130 yards with a slight draw and the second is a full swing that went about 150 yards and was a push draw.

My misses today were an over draw and a slight push with shorter clubs, and a BIG push or push cut with longer clubs.

Any tips on slowing down my lower body would be awesome!

The Video:
http://widedivots.com/video/swing/1690/june-5-09

Thanks,
Zing

[Daryl]

I’m not familiar with the S&T swing method. But, I gather that it involves Stacking over your Left Leg somehow and then whatever.

The following presumes you want to develop a Swinging Pattern and not a Hitting Pattern.

I agree that some of your swing problems stem from the Hips, but I don’t think its Hip speed. Like most Golfers, you think that a strong Lateral Slide with the Hips begins the Downswing. Yet, you inherently realize that the synchronization of your shoulders and hips is compromised. I agree again.

The Arrow in the upper left photo points to the Gap between your Arm and Torso. When you move the Hips Laterally to start the Swing, you cause a kink in a very complex chain of events. Much too complex to describe during this or any single post.

The answer you’re seeking is the Sit-Down Procedure. It will solve your Pivot issues and indirectly prevent Push shots and slices.

At the Top of the Swing, your Left Heel is raised above ground. There are two ways to Lower it. The First, is by a Lateral Shift of the Hips, the Second is by Sitting Down slightly by allowing your weight to drop, by allowing your right knee to slightly flex. I don’t mean that your Head needs to drop, and I don’t mean that your right knee flexes forward. The Sit-Down is a squat, from the Top, that begins the Downstroke Acceleration sequence. It will prevent your Head from leaning backwards during the Hip Slide-Axis Tilt, Lower your right Arm to your Torso during the Hand Acceleration Stage of the Downstroke, bend the Right Knee Slightly so that you have enough Right Leg to allow your hips to do a complete rotation (yours stop, which is why you hit so many push shots) and it is also the greatest determining factor in how far your hips slide forward. It’s a VERY subtle motion. Just enough to create a little tension.

Following the Sit-Down, your Hips Slide and then Rotate. But they KEEP ROTATING. Watch your video. Your shoulders pass your hips just after impact because your hips stopped. Your Hips Stopped Rotating because they ran out of Right Leg and you begin to Drag your Right Foot. Hmm?? You lose pivot lag and you end up flipping the club through impact like the Upper Right Photo. Though Flipping should be trained out of your swing. Hip Action is needed to coordinate Rolling the Clubface through the Impact Zone.

90% of this website is devoted to training the swing to eliminate this Flip. Flat Left Wrist, Hinge Action, etc. It makes “Stack and Tilt” read like “Dick and Jane”.

Also: Stop Pulling Down with your Arms and Hands from the Top of the Swing. You're releasing way too early. With your swing (with corrections) you should be Hitting Bulls eyes at 150 yards at 80% with the 9 iron.

Good Luck.

[ZingMan]

Hi Daryl,
Thanks for the reply!

I will try the sit down technique asap and post a video sometime in the next week or so.

As for not pulling my hands down from the top...how do I bring my hands down and direct them at my forward aiming point? Is it just the rotation of my body that will bring them to impact?

[Daryl]

Hi Daryl,
Thanks for the reply!

I will try the sit down technique asap and post a video sometime in the next week or so.

As for not pulling my hands down from the top...how do I bring my hands down and direct them at my forward aiming point? Is it just the rotation of my body that will bring them to impact?

The Sit-Down will Pull Down the Right Shoulder, the Hip Slide (Axis Tilt) will continue Pulling the Right Shoulder and Arms from their Shoulder Sockets, the Hip Turn will continue pulling the Arms and induce a Throw-Out of the #4 Accumulator (Left Arm) off the Chest (Sensing this change of direction of Force) which causes the Release to begin, Uncock and 'Roll around the Hinge'.


Of course, if you were to do this exactly as I outlined, you should miss the ball. Your Right Elbow is so Bent that your Clubhead will pass 6" above the ball. (Do a very Slow Motion swing and Notice how high your Right Forearm is above plane at release). Unbending your Forearm is not a solution because it wrecks the Right Forearm Flying Wedge). So, for now, add in a lot of Hand-Eye and Right Forearm-Eye Coordination, or; use a 7" high Tee.


Read about the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence.


Make sure that the Ball is in the way of the Clubhead.

[drewitgolf]

I like where Daryl is going with this. I will add one more thing. You need to be careful of the thrid Snare Bobbing (3-F-7-C) which will disrupt your Shoulder to ball Radius (reference 1-L-1 & 2).

Set your Head at Impact Fix (7-8 ) and leave it there. This will most like likely require more Waist Bend and/or Knee flex (7-2-4).

[david sandridge]

Great post of sit down Daryl. Could you please go into a little more detail about running out of right leg. Does this relate to getting stuck on the right side? I have trouble turning thru the ball and wonder about my sequence of events.

[ZingMan]

Hi guys, I'm already having some success with keeping my right arm tighter to my body, but my hips are still racing out in front too much (too much lateral slide). Drewitgolf, I have no idea what you just said ....I have very limited knowledge of TGM. I have a feeling some reading will be required!

I also still have the flip (that'll take a lot of practice to eliminate), but I'll post a video of what I'm trying for the sit down. I think I will need to work a LOT on this to control the lower body more so there isn't really a significant change. I just want to make sure that I'm heading in the right direction with the drill (or if I'm doing it completely wrong).

Here's what I was doing....go to the top of the swing, pump down three time just with hip rotation (with the sit down move) and then make a swing from the top.

Also, I sorta took part of my drill from Hogan's book. He talked about starting down with the hips and not the hands so I figured doing what he suggested would be a good place to start (his advice seemed very similar to yours).

If this looks like I have the right idea, I will make a better video (at the range) in about 1 week after I've had a real chance to practice it.

Here's the swing: http://widedivots.com/video/swing/17...sit-down-drill

Thanks guys,
Zing

[Daryl]

Great post of sit down Daryl. Could you please go into a little more detail about running out of right leg. Does this relate to getting stuck on the right side? I have trouble turning thru the ball and wonder about my sequence of events.

Hi David,

The "running out of Right Leg" was a statement I made after watching Zingmans Video. His Hips were so far Forward that he had to drag his right leg to the Finish. I also think that his Forward Hips before Impact cause them to stop turning, which, in turn, stops the Pivot Lag Train.

Only the Hands and the Flat Left Wrist can Train your Pivot. ©

Here's How:

Before and After Impact, your Left Wrist is Flat and the Clubshaft should remain in-line with your Left Arm (keeping the Primary Lever). Normally, Golfers quit the Alignments and allow the Right Wrist to Flatten immediately during or after Impact (99.99% of amateurs and 99% of Pro's) and the Club becomes in-Line with the Right Arm. The Flattening Right Wrist during or immediately after impact is the single worst motion/alignment any golfer can make.

Do this:

Assume a Grip with your arms Fully Extended in front of you. Flat Left Wrist and Bent Right Wrist. Then, with-out moving your Arms, Turn (Rotate, revolve, spin) your Hands counter-clockwise keeping your Right Wrist Bent. Your Right Wrist is above your Left Wrist. If you did this correctly, your Right Wrist remained Bent and your Left Wrist is slightly Arched and your Arms remained Straight and remained directly in front of you. This is the appearance of your Hands after Impact, and after Both Arms become Straight. At Both Arms Straight, your Bent Right Wrist makes the Back of your Right Hand face to your right away from the target. After both Arms Straight, your Right Wrist may actually face your face, as your left arm bends and folds against your Left Side.

If the Golf world had Academy Awards for "Best Content", the following Video would Win 1st Place. It's exactly what I'm talking about, just not as loud.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...sh-Swivel.html

Practice:

HK says "DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP" and one of those preparations is to aim at the inside-Aft quadrant of the ball with a Straight Line Delivery Path. You'll need these for the following practice or you'll learn them soon enough.

Do this with short Pitch shots. If your Pivot is Misaligned even a little, your hands will tell you. If your Head is not Centered, you'll know it. If your Hips have stopped rotating, you'll definitely feel it. If your approach (Delivery Path)is off, your Left Wrist will hurt like hell (for days). If you Run-Out-Of-Right-Leg, you-will-pull-a-groin-muscle. In fact, you must practice this slow at first until your bad alignments are replaced by alignments and motion sequences trained into it by the Hands otherwise injuries will occur and you may be out for the season.


Costs:
The cost of trying; $0.00, the sound of compression; Priceless.

Healing:
Do you use Ice or Heat?

[david sandridge]

Thanks for the reply.. I have a 10-2-d grip and its knuckles up and a geometric flat wrist. Thanks to Yoda and golfgnome I am just beginning to understand release and rhythm. With bilateral knee replacement and arthritis I have trouble with my pivot. It is hard to "catch the dog by the tail" if you run out of right leg. Running out of right leg seemed to resonant with me

thanks the complete answer.