I only focus on "pulling and sustaining the lag" and allow (with active straight lead arm and passive wrists) the (sweetspot of the) club to do its work.

Yes, lots of trust.

TSP and roll
 

been trying to combine the feeling of staying on the TSP along with the start-up-swivel.......

as per 6-b to stay on the TSP the clubhead should move straight back away from the ball, and with the startup swivel it "seems" to want to move inside right away

any thoughts appreciated, and previous threads etc fine
thanks

You need to bend your right arm sooner using more of a right forearm pickup.

I tend to use more of a shoulder turn takeaway combined with a right forearm pickup so on video it "looks" like i go underplane but the sweet spot is still pointing to the plane line so i really don't care.

I also perform a double shift so that makes it look even shallower.

what guidelines do any of you suggest for keeping the club on plane during the startup swivel? I have been working on this aspect of the swing and find the club going too far inside, resulting in heel contact and misses right, and even shanking if my tempo is too fast. Any suggestions?

The TSP is a fairly steep plane compared to the Elbow Plane. Per 2-F, “Whenever the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground it must also be parallel to the baseline of the Inclined Plane...” “Otherwise, the end of the club that is closest to the ground must be pointing at the base line of the inclined plane – or extension of that line, even if they must be extended to the horizon.” So, during the Takeaway and Backswing, the Clubhead is Down and Out On Plane between the ball and hands until the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground. And, because the Hands are normally below the TSP at Address, simply taking the Hands Backward-Upward and Inward simultaneously from an Adjusted Address may further the off Plane motion (unless a plane shift is part of your Stroke). The Right Forearm Takeaway may help by emphasizing the Back and Up path of the Hands and then synchronize with the Shoulder Turn component of the Pivot for the Inward path.

Try this, but I'm sure that there are many other procedures. :)

Swingers
 

There are "HAND MANIPULATION SWINGERS", and "TRUE SWINGERS".

TRUE SWINGERS NEED TO HAVE A VERY PRECISE BALL POSITION. THE SQUARING OF THE CLUB TAKES CARE OF ITSELF.

HAND MANIPULATION SWINGERS, LEARN TO PROGRAM IN THEIR HINGE ACTION, WHICH SQUARES THE CLUB.

Both of these guys are SWINGERS... but they also have subtle differences.

Mr. Yoda had a post about this sometime back.

How I look at the picture is:

Swingers - Let it happen -- Centrifugal force Squaring
Hitters - Make it happen -- Right forearm thrust

Vik

Swingers really have to control that clubface as it whirls out. As your release swivel goes into its hinge action, it is too easy to over roll or under roll unless monitored. You have to know where you are going to be at impact.....

Johnny Miller on a show I watched via streaming the golf channel, said Jack Nicklaus pulled him aside and asked him what he was working on when he was at the top of his game and he told him he concentrated on his hands and how they were positioned at impact and how he didn't want them here 'turned' or there 'rolled' but just here - and he showed some beautiful flying wedges with the hands vertical to the ground.

Homer Kelley wrote somewhere in the book (roughly paraphrasing) - Program the intended impact hand location no later than the top and concentrate on that and not the means of getting there...

With the start up swivel of swinging should the toe of the club be pointing up at waist high or should it be actually lying on the plane by then, actually tilted more toe back? Just trying to get it correct since I am new to Swinging.

OK, help me.
 

1. Can anyone show me where, in the book, the terminology 'start up swivel' is used???

If not, then please, lets not use it. Of course, it may be used, hence, my request for a reference.

2. By swinger, lets define.

True swinger - centrifugal force rules, including the squaring of the clubface.

'Swinger' - utilizes centrifugal force for power (loading, etc) but not necessarily alignment of the clubface, and in this case, adjustments may need to be made.

And again, start up swivel please.....

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