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Clubhead lag is resistance of the clubhead to change due to inertia. This resistance is felt through PP#3. End of story.

Does this image depict clubhead lag? If so is the fact that the clubhead is not only behind the hands but also outside the arc of the hands significant when discussing lag?

Doing What Comes Unnaturally

I received the PM below and am posting my answer for all.

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Originally Posted by bantamben1

Yoda, quick question...in the beginning forward of tgm doyle talks about how he told homer that he could hit the ball with any kind of grip and homer said thats because you always had lag. i was thinking of the drill where you showed martee how the flail works by hammering the club into the ground, and you talked about how it would look with different grips. so my question is no matter the grip, strong, weak would it be correct to assume that as long asyour wrist work in that hammering action and on the downswing you feel that lag directed at the inside aft quadrant the face should return to where it was at impact fix. thanks alot in advance

Yes, BB1. Left unhampered, Centrifugal Force will (1) Uncock your Left Wrist 'Hammer' (a Vertical Motion) and then (2) Swivel (as demanded by Grip Type) your Hands (a Rotational Motion) into their Impact Fix alignments.

But therein lies the problem...

The less-skilled Swinger overrides Centrifugal Force and actively thrusts the back of the Shaft (in a Horizontal Motion) via the #3 Pressure Point. This is False Feel Wrist Action (6-D-3), and it must be replaced by the correct Release Motions (4-D-0) before any real long-term progress can be made.

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

I'd love to get a bit more lowdown on lag. I have a lot of fog via the TGM applications still.

The general golf world considers lag the angle between the shaft and the left arm and how long it is maintained before impact. Does this fit in with TGM?

Many consider the benefit of good lag to be the catapulting acceleration of the clubhead thru impact, is this correct? Or is the bigger benefit as much to do with a better line of compression due to the forward leaning shaft, or both?

Many pro's double cock and create a very substantial angle, TGM'S recommended flying wedge work avoids the right wrist cock and would likely have less angle. It is quality of lag over quantity?

I have been reading Ted's descriptions of his hitting stroke with great interest. He seemingly goes from impact fix to the top via the magic of the right forearm with no extra bend in the right wrist. Am i wrong in thinking this would mean no extra angle would be created and his angles would fall well short of say 90 degree's? If so this would seem like quality over quantity for sure. It would also mean power comes from the straightening right elbow and proper impact line of compression as opposed to catapult speed. Apologies for the fogged up post, but obviously lag was extremely important to Homer to say the least and a lag 101 would be most appreciated by me.

Regards

John

Hi, John....I'll add my two cents.

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

Not necessarily...all the importance placed on lag in The Golfing Machine is in relation to clubhead lag (more later). What you are referencing is merely 6-b-2-0 being maintained til early in the downswing - which, when released, results in serious acceleration due to the abbreviated travel time. Only in TGM is this differentiated to the best of my knowledge.

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

Or is the bigger benefit as much to do with a better line of compression due to the forward leaning shaft, or both?

Yes! The forward leaning shaft dictates that again, clubhead lag is inherent. As Mike said, lag is defined as 'trailing',

Now...on clubhead lag (versus accumulator lag or pivot lag). As Tong stated I believe, clubhead lag is the weight of the clubhead resisting a change in direction. This, in turn, bends the shaft and as a result, places a pressure on your hands as a result of the bending shaft and this is called clubhead lag pressure. This is clubhead lag. The clubhead is now trailing your hands - not only in a vertical motion but also horizontally. Maintain at least your initial acceleration and the clubhead will continue to trail your hands - dont maintain it, and the clubhead will catch up with the hands - resulting in what is termed throwaway...clubheads are designed to be hit with clubhead lag....

Hope this helps.

Patrick

Thanking you sincerely phillygolf, GREAT post :)

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Originally Posted by tongzilla

Clubhead lag is resistance of the clubhead to change due to inertia. This resistance is felt through PP#3. End of story.

Absolutely Tong! Lag pressure is only present in a dynamic condition. Simply saying that lag means to trail is a misnomer. Pose a clubhead behind the hands in static condition and there is no lag pressure. Lag is invisible and a bowed clubshaft is only "evidence" of its existence. The clubshaft in a statically posed trailing clubhead is as straight as an arrow. There are no forces acting upon it. Tong's got it right per usual!

EC

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Rotational[/b] Motion) into their Impact Fix alignments.

But therein lies the problem...

The less-skilled Swinger overrides Centrifugal Force and actively thrusts the back of the Shaft (in a Horizontal Motion) via the #3 Pressure Point. This is False Feel Wrist Action (6-D-3), and it must be replaced by the correct Release Motions (4-D-0) before any real long-term progress can be made.

Yoda...aha love that distinction you feel and monitor the lag but let cf return your hands to impact fix...just what i've been working on thanks ajy

wow. I always thought Clubhead lag (not lag pressure) was just the head trailing the hands. But now I think I'm reading that you must have a bowed shaft for it to officially be Clubhead lag. How then, do you have clubhead lag in the Basic Motion, or when putting?

Clubhead Lag and Short Strokes

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Originally Posted by nevermind

You do not have to have a visually 'bowed shaft' in order to have Clubhead Lag. For short strokes such as Basic Motion, that will probably never happen unless you use a whippy shaft. But trust me, even for putting, when I make my transition from the top of my backstroke (which will obviously be very short for a normal putt), I can definately feel that sweetspot resisting the change in direction via Pressure Point #3. Clubhead lag is an Imperative even for putting!