Thanks alot Trane
 

Hey Trane,

After I wrote that second response yesterday I had a major egg hatch in the incubator. You forced me to take a step back and look at the big picture...regarding basic and acquired motion. It helped me put together my thoughts, instead of continuing to study and read more in depth detail.

So I took my 'interpretation' of stage 1(which you helped me to pull out of my head) and hit some chip shots. But something was missing. Then it hit me like a big Mack truck....Combine this 'interpretation' with my recent discovery of the flail. This turned into, what I call a 'swing idea' instead of a swing thought.

I can actually relate this to chess (I know I am going off on a tangent here, but just stick with me for a minute). I was a poor chess player, until I read something from this book by Jeremy Silman called 'How to Reassess your chess' that instantly sent my level up exponentially. In the very beginning he says this

"A sound plan makes us all heroes, the absance of a plan, idiots."
-G.M Kotov quoting a mysterious 'chess sage.'

"At some time or another every tournament player learns a few opening lines, some tactical ideas, and the most basic mating patterns. As he gets better and more experienced he adds to this knowledge. However, the one thing that just about everybody has problems with is planning. From class 'E' to master, I get blank stares when asking them what plan they had in mind in a particular position. Usually their choice of plan (if they have any plan at all) is based on emotional rather than scientific considerations. By emotional I mean that the player typically does what he feels like doing rather than what the board wants him to do. If you want to be successful, you have to base your plans on specific criteria on the board, not on your mood at any given time!

"Planning is the process by witch the player utilizes the advantages and minimizes the drawbacks of his position. In order to promise success, planning is thus always based on diagnosis of the existing characteristics of a position; it is therefore most difficult when the position is evenly balanced and easiest when there is only one plan to satisfy the demands of the position."

Swinging a golf club without an understanding of how it works, and what to do with it is like playing chess without a plan (Go back to the Kotov quote).

Ok, so we can say that this is like a 'swing plan based on an idea.'
Here it is: For basic motion, power accumulators #4 and #1 move pressure points #2 and #3 utilizing the law of the flail. Specifically the first law of the flail.

This seems to work well. Am I on the right track here ?

Maybe I am just out to lunch or missing what you meant. But if the Basic Motion is a swinging motion, ACC#1 is not used and for hitting motion, ACC#4 is not used.

A swinging motion is the left arm pull, A hitting motion would be the right arm push so to speak.

So what am I missing from your statement, cause it should be one or the other, after all we are talking about a max of four feet travel of the club.

I am just thinking and developing ideas. I need guys like you, Martee, to help me refine. This is exactly what I was hoping for, and why I post. For help because I sure need it.

Here it is modified: Basic motion swinging - Use accumulator #4 to move pressure points #2 and #3 with the law of the flail. Basic motion hitting - Use accumulator #1 to move pressure points #2 and #3 with the law of the flail. Then the pressure points move the golf club.
The real key (for me) is no hand accumulators. Just allow the arm power accumulators to move the pressure points.

It is just alot different for me than banging balls (before I found The Golfing Machine). Trying to just 'find it' hoping that improvement would gradually come. This is similar to the tournament chess player who is able to play well even though he is not utilizing a plan during his matches. Sure there was some improvement, but that would tend to slow and hit big brick walls often.

This stuff is probably already ingrained into your head...and swing, but for me it is just all starting to come together.

I think the big thing for me is that I can use the law of the flail to apply good leverage with any length stroke. I just never got it like that before. I was unable to allow the primary lever assembly flail at stage 1. Now I can. I know many of you probably say 'yeah, so what', but for me, and maybe some other members (who have not figured this out) this is pretty big stuff. And I like it alot.

"Kelley" night
 

Very sharp Knight! Good Stuff!

Just one question- saw your Quote at the bottom of your post- Does Michael Hebron teach golf?;)

Off topic
 

KnightT,

sorry this is way off topic, but I too used to play some tournament chess. I quit some time ago (8 years I think) and recently decided to start playing casually again. I bought Silmans book again (owned it years ago) in fact it currently sits on my nightstand just beneth TGM. It's just nice to see another chess loving golfing machine junkie out there. When I quit my rating was in the high 1400's, the strongest player I ever beat was rated around 1700. Unfortuantly playing chess is like golf; you have to practice to keep sharp and I am only a shadow of my former self. Just curious if you are/were rated?

isnt hebron that teacher that is like a 30 handicaper

Joker
 

Aaron, are you joking around here!:) You were probably thinking of MY HANDICAP! Sandbagger!

KnighT
 

It sounds like we are in the exact same boat, only you have maybe been it in longer than me. This type of dialog can really help the incubation process out. Trust me its very meaningful, and I can't tell you ALL...how much its appreciated!!:)

I like what you posted Knight very much. Your hitting and swinging basic motion idea...its sounds so logical. I havn't read the Law of the Flail yet, but saw it on Tommy's video. This reading will be tonight's homework.

Martee, for me & I might have it totalling wrong here, but if I'm swinging I have to use the accumalator #1 to take the club back aka (right forearm tracing & right forearm fanning). So, I start all of my backstrokes with my right & for hitting send the right back down, & for swinging swing with the left (but don't you still thrust with the right in swinging?).

KnighT, when swinging a basic motion, are you taking the power package back with the left? and back down with the left? (accumlator #4)

I'm getting closer on this basic motion stuff. By the way guys, I think if you practice this in your house (don't break anything:sad2:
, you will have a smoother, easier, more rhythmic stroke...that is if you don't your wife or mom or significant other to throw the yellow book in the recycle bend!!!!:laughing1

Trane,
Procedurally you're always taking the hands and the feel of the club (lag) back and through. What accumulators you use and how you use them is a separate issue. What arm you use is also a separate issue- and you really don't use arms to take it back or down in a procedural sense. Important distinctions to make.

Mike
 

I thought Accum #4 is the left arm/shoulder & if I'm reading it correctly, it is one of the 22 components of the basic motion curriculum. There is no pivot, no shoulder turn, so the way I read it you have to take the lag (maintaining the pressure points) back towards the ball and down plane from the ball with either the #1 or #4 accumulator. I sure do hope I don't have this messed up or I will have to reincubate some stuff. Let me know guys...TY:eyes: