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What I have a difficult time comprehending is how Brian can take a simple concept such as pivot-centered tripod and completely misinterpret it by drawing lines at the top and at impact for the spine. I think all but the newest members here understand the term pivot-centered tripod and understand that it is not about spine or axis tilt. A lateral shifting of the hips in the downswing DOES NOT mean someone is incapable of adhering to the pivot-centered tripod concept.

Matt

Interesting point of view Matt. (although I am not sure how drawing axis tilt shows a misinterpretation of anything)

And I'm hesitant to get into this....

But this golfers head is not precisely between his feet throughout the stroke in either analysis. (and is not Stationary)

What that all means and how much weight to put on it is the question I guess.

Here is the original on Youtube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dwfd7tc_E8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda

From The Complete Golfer (1905) by Harry Vardon.

Open Champion, 1896, 1898, 1899, 1903.

American Champion, 1900.

"The head should be kept perfectly motionless from the time of the address until the ball has been sent away and is well on its flight. The least deviation from this rule means a proportionate danger of disaster.

When a drive has been badly foozled, the readiest and most usual explanation is that the eye has been taken off the ball, and the wise old men who have been watching shake their heads solemnly, and utter that parrot-cry of the links, "Keep your eye on the ball." Certainly this is a good and neccessary rule so far as it goes; but I do not believe that one drive in a hundred is missed because the eye has not been kept on the ball.

On the other hand, I believe that one of the most fruitful causes of failure with the tee shot is the moving of the head. Until the ball has gone, it should, as I say, be as nearly perfectly still as possible, and I would have written that it should not be moved to the extent of a sixteeenth of an inch, but for the fact that it is not human to be so still, and golf is always inclined to the human side."

:salut:

But, if you want, go ahead and move your head.

Back and forth.

Or up and down.

Or -- double your pleasure -- do both!

Or neither.

Your call.

"If I moved my head I couldn't break 80" - Jack Nicklaus, Golf My Way video

"Keeping your head still during the swing is certainly easier said than done, a statement I make from experience. I have worked harder to master this than all of the other fundamentals put together. When I was 6 years old, my father told me to go ahead and hit the ball as hard as I wanted to so long as I kept my head still. When I say still, I mean exactly that, no movement upward, downward, or side to side allowed"

Arnold Palmer - "Play Great Golf - Mastering the Fundamentals of the Game" 1987

Plenty of quotes from people saying that you need to keep the head still...but do they all really keep em still...or is it a seems as if type deal?

From what I have seen, Palmer and Nicklaus ARE pretty still.

I have not seen all that many Palmer sequences....but the ones I have seen I remember to be pretty Stationary. (in the head department)

As for position, Nicklaus very often seemed to have his head back of center some....at least for longer clubs. (which makes sense for a high ball hitter, and to me, for a long driver as well)

I'm not too sure about Palmer really...I would like to study some sequences...with long and short clubs...

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Originally Posted by Toolish

Plenty of quotes from people saying that you need to keep the head still...but do they all really keep em still...or is it a seems as if type deal?

Do as the 'Greats' have done, Toolish. Heed the instruction of their own teachers -- often their fathers -- and, during your Stroke, keep your Head still.

Ignore all this hair-splitting 'Spine Center versus Head Center' controversy, and just do your best to keep your Head still from Address until well through Impact. It will help your game. Soon, 'staying still' will be a subconcious habit, you will Turn freely in both directions -- if you don't, it is a Pivot problem, not a Head problem -- and you won't have to worry about it anymore. Your Body will have become a Rotor and your Clubhead a 'Wrecking Ball.'

"The attempt and not the deed confounds us."

-- William Shakespeare

But this prescription is not license to become 'ball-bound.' Once the Ball is away, let your Head swivel with the Stroke and move toward your left side into the Finish.

Again quoting Harry Vardon:

"Keep your eye on the ball until you have hit it, but no longer. You cannot follow through properly with a long shot if your eye remains fastened on the ground. Hit the ball, and then let your eye pick it up in its flight as quickly as possible."

I actually can't believe that in the year 2007 with all the bio mechenical research that teachers are actually still advocating keeping you head still. There is not a person on the PGA Tour that does this. Some may say they do it but I would love to see someone post pictures of a head not moving in the swing.

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Originally Posted by 47range (Post 38839)

For the record, swiveling the head on the neck is not "moving the head." That said, if you want to move your head, 47range, then have it. It's okay. After all, you're human. Just move it as little as possible.

Unless, of course, you want to move it a lot.

And that's okay, too.

Back and forth. Or up and down. Or both.

After all, it's your head.

And your swing.

Seriously, golf is all about having fun. And if Swaying and Bobbing is what makes you happy, then go right ahead and do it.

Curtis Strange swayed his way to two consecutive U.S. Open titles. Can't be all bad, right?

:)

If it is common knowledge that you can play great golf with a head that moves, why make the statement keep your head still?

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Originally Posted by 47range (Post 38841)

If it is common knowledge that you can play great golf with a head that moves, why make the statement keep your head still?

What does the research say the head is supposed to do? How much should it move and which way?