Great post, I'm foggy here as well (as others). I just finished the book and don't recall the start-up swivel. I posted a question in another thread on this subject. The nearest I could find to this idea was "fanning " of the forearm during start up. In my attempt to use the RFT I find that the face stays closed.

I think the question posed earlier might best solve the problem: What position does the face take with the shaft at horizontal, leading edge vertical to ground or is it parallel to (laying on)the inclined plane?

The answer could determine how much forearm rotation is needed during start up.

CW

Did a search and could not find 'Start up Swivel' As far as "adjustments may need to be made" are you refering to 2-F. "When in doubt, “Turn” the Clubface so both the Clubshaft and the Sweet Spot will be on the same Plane at the Start Down. Both Planes always pass through the Lag Pressure Point"?

'Start up Swivel'
 

Maybe the answer is in 6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES.
"The precision flying wedges assembly and alignment ... is mandatory during the entire motion."
Keeping the right forearm plane doesn't the swivel just happen?

On another note since the precision Flying Wedges is mandatory why doesn't it put them on par with the 3 imperatives?

Well noted mb6606 without getting too pedantic aren't 'imperatives' and 'mandatory' synonymous in this case in as far as they are both either compulsory or essential requirements for the stroke and therefore why shouldn't they be grouped?

Start Up
 

With STANDARD WRIST ACTION there is a TURN, that happens very early in the takeaway. The term TURN is used when talking about the LEFT WRIST MOTION here. The RIGHT ARM does what is called FAN. With SINGLE WRIST ACTION... the TURN happens more gradually, near the TOP.

SWIVEL is a DOWNSWING term. With STANDARD WRIST ACTION, the TURNED left wrist must SWIVEL through the RELEASE into IMPACT. THE OTHER SWIVEL OCCURS AFTER FOLLOWTHROUGH(BOTH ARMS STRAIGHT), SO THAT THE SHAFT CAN STAY ON PLANE... going up the OTHER SIDE.

There are three swivels - the start-up swivel, the release swivel and the finish swivel. Look at the flail in 2-K and see the structure - the startup swivel is where your left hand turns towards the plane from the vertical plane of the hinge action (standard wrist action), the release swivel is where you roll your left hand back to vertical through the impact interval till both arms straight in followthrough - the finish swivel is where you roll your left hand back to the plane. Study 2-K and the wrist combinations in chapter 5....

Want to feel a start-up swivel - lets try a drill



lol

Ok step 1 - Take off your shoes

Step 2 - Take off your socks :)

Step 3 Take your classical address position of left wrist bent and right wrist flat, holding the sock with your hands split apart with the right arm pulling the sock taut.

Step 4 Trace back the plane line with the no.3 pressure point - feeling like your going to bowl a bowling ball back along the line - feel how the extensor action takeaway of the swinger instantly turns the left hand towards the plane during startup - start-up swivel... :)

Please forgive....Please? :)

My only point was or is - when we (the TGM disciples!) start using terms that are not from Homer (though I understand the principle of 'start up swivel'), we then leave interpretation to chance.

While I understand the concept, my beef (if you will) is the frequency the term is used alnmost as if it is used in the book, which - again, I do not recall.

So....

What now??? :):):)

Patrick

To a certain extent, one might argue this is a chicken/egg type question.

The Flying Wedges concept is absolutely a key, fundamental concept in TGM. Perhaps one of the single biggest 'simplifications', especially when combined with the concept of extensor action and proper wrist/hand positions in 5-0. A true "short course" in learning.

That said, you can obtain the imperatives without maintaining both wedges. One of the areas that I think determine hitter vs swinger trends in a given player is the degree to which their motion is more left wedge, or right wedge.

Remember, Homer didn't 'recommend' any particular pattern as being better than any other "except on the basis of mechanical advantage". Maintaining BOTH wedges, is certainly more of a mechanical advantage than only maintaining one.

I can understand mb6606’s desire to eliminate the gray areas between ‘imperative’, ‘mandatory’ or any degrees of mandatory. Many of us find it easier to think in black or white rather than degrees of black or white.
You say, “…you can obtain the imperatives without maintaining both wedges. One of the areas that I think determine hitter vs swinger trends in a given player is the degree to which their motion is more left wedge, or right wedge.”
Are any components of the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package basic structure, that Homer considers mandatory for Hitting or Swinging, altered to obtain these ‘degrees’ if not what is exactly?

Swinging, Hitting And the #3 Accumulator Roll
 

The Swinger uses the Pivot to "Throw Out" the Left Arm Flying Wedge. The Hitter uses the Right Triceps to "Drive Out" the Right Forearm Flying Wedge.

These are the Left Forearm and Right Forearm "versions" of 6-B-3-0.