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airair 09-27-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 76424)
All your answers are found in:

6-B-3-0 THE THIRD POWER ACCUMULATOR

Kevin

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Now I know where it is.
The only thing left is to understand what this means. I haven't a clue.

KevCarter 09-27-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by airair (Post 76427)
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Now I know where it is.
The only thing left is to understand what this means. I haven't a clue.

I have worked my A** off here for about 3 years trying to absorb everything, and I am very glad I have. However, YODA is correct, you need to get face to face with someone who really knows TGM. I learned more in my one day with YODA than I have the 3 years combined. I wish I could help you the way he helped me, but I still have far too much to learn to do you any good.

Kevin

airair 09-27-2010 02:01 PM

All your contributions are helpful - especially when you explain in your own words what Homer Kelley has written in his great/difficult book.

airair 09-28-2010 05:34 AM

I still don't understand how it is possible to roll the left forearm to get additional force/speed (as the 4th source as shown in the video) without it being a hinging motion. When the left arm rolls - why isn't that a horisontal hinging? Is it a movement of the left forearm that is identical to a horisontal (or angled?) hinging, but is called something else? The left arms doesn't move and not move at the same time? And if it moves - how can one roll the left forearm in different ways - it turns to the left doesn't it? How does this work with a angled hinging - how does the left forearm turn in this case? Who is bright enough to explain this in an understandable way?

HungryBear 09-28-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by airair (Post 76478)
I still don't understand how it is possible to roll the left forearm to get additional force/speed (as the 4th source as shown in the video) without it being a hinging motion. When the left arm rolls - why isn't that a horisontal hinging? Is it a movement of the left forearm that is identical to a horisontal (or angled?) hinging, but is called something else? The left arms doesn't move and not move at the same time? And if it moves - how can one roll the left forearm in different ways - it turns to the left doesn't it? How does this work with a angled hinging - how does the left forearm turn in this case? Who is bright enough to explain this in an understandable way?

I will try.
Re-number the power sources to the accumulator they represent.
1 & 2 to 1 & 4 and 3 & 4 to 2 & 3. So, power source #4 is accumulator # 3.
think of the hinges being at the left shoulder (primary lever assembly movement) and accumulators 2 and 3 at the wrist/hands, (secondary lever assembly- the flail- endless belt effect). Accumulator #3 is this movement of the secondary lever assembly AROUND the left arm. ALL in a very coordinated way Called RHYTHM.

The Bear

airair 09-28-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 76488)
I will try.
Re-number the power sources to the accumulator they represent.
1 & 2 to 1 & 4 and 3 & 4 to 2 & 3. So, power source #4 is accumulator # 3.
think of the hinges being at the left shoulder (primary lever assembly movement) and accumulators 2 and 3 at the wrist/hands, (secondary lever assembly- the flail- endless belt effect). Accumulator #3 is this movement of the secondary lever assembly AROUND the left arm. ALL in a very coordinated way Called RHYTHM.

The Bear

Thanks for trying to make a gateway into my head. I'm afraid I didn't permit this to happen, but some sort of shield blocked it from getting in.

Ted Fort calls it Left Forearm Roll. And this is happens because of Accumulator 3. If you all say so, it certainly must be true - and Homer Kelley said so as well. I stand corrected.

But that doesn't mean I understand what's going on. What is the difference between this left forearm roll and what happens in a horisontal hinging - allthough that's NOT the case here? Is it a (full) left forearm roll by accumulator 3 that resembles a horisontal hinging? The left forearm ROLLS. The reason it does it - is not because of a horisontal hinging , but does it do anything else than a horisontal hinging would have done in another situation, and apparently looks just like it? What is the difference other than the label and the way this is explained? Does the left arm do anything different? What kind of hinge motion is used in this total motion with the demonstrated left forearm roll in this video? Can a full swing be performed without hinging whatsoever of the left forearm - but with a left forearm roll nevertheless?
Does anyone see my problem here - other than a brain transplantation?

HungryBear 09-28-2010 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by airair (Post 76494)
Thanks for trying to make a gateway into my head. I'm afraid I didn't permit this to happen, but some sort of shield blocked it from getting in.

Ted Fort calls it Left Forearm Roll. And this is happens because of Accumulator 3. If you all say so, it certainly must be true - and Homer Kelley said so as well. I stand corrected.

But that doesn't mean I understand what's going on. What is the difference between this left forearm roll and what happens in a horisontal hinging - allthough that's NOT the case here? Is it a (full) left forearm roll by accumulator 3 that resembles a horisontal hinging? The left forearm ROLLS. The reason it does it - is not because of a horisontal hinging , but does it do anything else than a horisontal hinging would have done in another situation, and apparently looks just like it? What is the difference other than the label and the way this is explained? Does the left arm do anything different? What kind of hinge motion is used in this total motion with the demonstrated left forearm roll in this video? Can a full swing be performed without hinging whatsoever of the left forearm - but with a left forearm roll nevertheless?
Does anyone see my problem here - other than a brain transplantation?

In the Alignment Golf DVD there is a segment where Yoda, along with VJ, demonstrates introduction of wrist cock. The "finger test". Digest that and it will be clearer.

The Bear

airair 09-28-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 76496)
In the Alignment Golf DVD there is a segment where Yoda, along with VJ, demonstrates introduction of wrist cock. The "finger test". Digest that and it will be clearer.

The Bear

You are right. I don't know if I really understand it, but I saw and heard Yoda swiftly commenting on this and it has something to do with holding the club in your fingers and making an angle between the the inside of the left forearm and the clubshaft (grip) and that angle produces a roll of the left forearm and (even more the clubhead). If we grip more in the middel of the hand (not so much in the fingers) much of this angle disappears and there won't be so much roll ... or something like that?

BerntR 09-28-2010 04:21 PM

Airair,

It looks to me like you're about to get this part.
There isn't any difference between what happens with Accummulator #3 and dual horizontal hinging. Dual horizontal is one way of releasing the club, including acc #3.

There is a difference in how acc#3 is released with dual horizontal and angle hinging, but I guess you've heard about that already. In dual horizontal, the release is sequenced: 1->2->3. Like a chain reaction if you wish. With angled hinging they all happen at the same time: 1+2+3. The dual horizontal hinge has a mechanical advantage because it is the hinge action that has the longest clubhead travel compared to hands travel.

Dual horizontal is also the hinge actionwith fastest overtaking rate.

airair 09-28-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 76504)
Airair,

It looks to me like you're about to get this part.
There isn't any difference between what happens with Accummulator #3 and dual horizontal hinging. Dual horizontal is one way of releasing the club, including acc #3.

There is a difference in how acc#3 is released with dual horizontal and angle hinging, but I guess you've heard about that already. In dual horizontal, the release is sequenced: 1->2->3. Like a chain reaction if you wish. With angled hinging they all happen at the same time: 1+2+3. The dual horizontal hinge has a mechanical advantage because it is the hinge action that has the longest clubhead travel compared to hands travel.

Dual horizontal is also the hinge actionwith fastest overtaking rate.

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