left wrist cock vs right wrist
 

First off, Lynn that's a great video of the flying wedges...

I have a question about the cocking if the left writst. When I grip the club with 2 hands, if I cock the left wrist, my right wrist goes with it in the same direction. I don't see how the left wrist can cock and uncock and not have the right wrist follow suit.

So, to maintain the right forearm flying wedge, should I focus on not cocking the left wrist at all? A few months back when I had a lesson with Ted Fort, he said, for me, it needs to feel like I am lifting that club up there with little or no action of the wrists.

Thoughts?

You asked the same question I asked myself when 8 months ago when I began the quest.

The answer lies in the last paragraph of 7-3 on page 93. Now, if you were like me, after reading that paragraph you'll be thinking 'huh?':???:

Lets reiterate:
From Start Up to Follow Through (both arms straight), the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is Always Level (not Cocked). If you do that, then your Flying Wedges Assembly will be maintained.


Now how do you Cock your Left Wrist while keeping your Right Wrist Level?
You do that my moving your Right Forearm up and down while keeping your Right Wrist Level.

Practice this without a club first. This is a must. So do the following.
Get your Right Forearm in front of you parallel to the ground and your Elbow at your side.
Have your wrist Level (look at 4-B-1) so that the wrist bone and the edge of the hand form a straight line.
If your fingers are extended, they should be pointing down, not straight ahead. That's Level.
Now freezing your Right Wrist, move your forearm straight up and down by bending your Elbow.

Now do the above without a club, but with your left hand also. So pretend you're gripping club and repeat the above. Your Left Wrist should Cock and Uncock as you move your Forearm up and down while your Right Wrist remains Level! That's basically what 7-3 -- The Magic of the Right Forearm -- is about.

Now do it with a Club while monitoring your Right Wrist all the way. Feel that it's Frozen in its Level condition.

Hope this helps.

The Right Elbow And The Left Wristcock
 

Hi Erik,

Thanks for the comments on the video. We're going to do a lot more of this kind of thing, so stay tuned!

Regarding your perceived inability to Cock your Left Wrist while maintaining the Bent Right, do the following drill:

[See, this would make a great video short!]

Grip the Golf Club, then separate your Hands about six to twelve inches. Open the Right Hand but leave the Clubshaft laying across the fingers of the Hand. Now, without changing the Frozen Bent and Level Right Wrist, Cock the Right Elbow up and watch as it Cocks the Left Wrist. Then, use your straightening Right Elbow -- again, there will be no change in the Bent and Level Right Wrist Condition -- to Uncock the Left Wrist.

And there you have it.

Precisely the same action occurs in a geometrically-correct Golf Stroke.

It ain't no Black Magic
 

I absolutely love this advice. I know that I among many was dubious of the Right Wrist frozen in it's Level condition and the Left Wrist Cocking at the same time. I thought there's no way this can be possible. Do this drill as Dr. Collards has prescribed and you would SEE IT FOR YOURSELF THAT IT IS POSSIBLE. It's not only possible but it's geometrically and structurally correct.

In addition to the above. Try hitting chips shots with this split grip. Even though the hands are split you can see how the Flying Wedges function in relation to each other.

Also split the grip take your swing to Top and then slide the hands together. You can see the proper Wrist Conditions with your normal grip.

Magic

Tell that to Big John
 

But it prohibits the physics available for the most lag in a pure CF swing.

http://www.golfswing.com/proswings/daly.htm

Cocking the right wrist just adds another compensation to the swing as it takes the club of the plane line.

Geometry leads physics.

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MJ... do you think with guys like Daly, Mickelson, Don January... Bobby Jones, that centrifugal force, and maybe the "reverse rotation" causes the wrists to seek proper IMPACT conditions if unhindered?

Do you think perhaps a more PRECISION type of golf could be produced by using the FLV/BLV CONDITIONS?

Oil doesn't freeze
 

Yes, CF, if allowed, takes care of the proper alignments through impact.

And, yes, more precision is possible, but at the expense of constraints on the PHYSICS for the most powerful pure Swing.

The OILY-WRISTED freeswingers you mentioned don't use a FROZEN level right wrist.

Joe,

I know that you are not a fan of the Hands Controlled Pivot and the frozen Level Right Wrist. I have a great respect for your knowledge and opinions.

How do you teach a player to have more Lag? What type of drills concepts etc?

Thanks man!

B

thanks!
 

Thanks a lot fellas. I will give this a try later on today.

12 piece,

How many can passively aim the hands? I believe that to put the mind in the hands of MOST players will cause the hands to move the hands, rather than the pivot alone moving them. And in a pure Swing, nothing should be frozen, including the right wrist.

For Hitting PCH is a great idea - aim and thrust PPs #1 and #3.

Lag in a Swing is obtained by the passive hands/arms being drug through impact by rotation. In the link below, notice how open his shoulders are just past impact.

http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzell.../bartlett3.mov

Notice in the following that his right wrist is cocked, which is also evident in the first link.

http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzell.../bartlett4.mov

I don't think he is passively aiming his hands, but, if so, my hat is off to him!:smile:

Please tell me more!

In what way will the Non-Level Right Wrist help promote CF?

What do you think of the concept that the Right Wrist is Frozen in its Level condition but still "oily wristed". For example, if your right wrist was in a cast, it must maintain its alignment, but at the same time the wrist in the cast can remain very supple.

All things being equal, do you think a Cocked Right Wrist gets more distance?

Thanks.

Frozen suppleness?
 

A non-frozen right wrist will promote a free flowing pure swing with natural cocking of both wrists which will fully utilize CF. Crank it up, let the air out of the arms, and unwind hard.

Casts aside, are you seriously asking if the right wrist can be frozen AND oily/supple at the same time?:confused:

In John Daly's swing for example, the cocked right wrist provides more total wrist cock and greater clubhead travel distance, which translates to more total clubhead lag, which leads to greater distance.

Yes -- Frozen as in Level and Bent Right Wrist.

The left wrist can be oily- the right bent to flatten dimples. It works- really.

btw: here are two links to pictures that show Daly with an UNCOCKED right wrist at the top. With that elbow (like Jack's) sticking out- he couldn't cock the right. In fact the elbow looks that way because the right hand is BENT LEVEL.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/178500...01_daly152.jpg

http://www.golfpiste.fi/gallery/Ihmi...daly_pieni.jpg

with a cigarette in that one.

Since its easier to go to the far ends of a spectrum, rather than gaging the degree in between the two ends, is it ok to go with MAXIMUM right wrist bend or can you have too much right wrist bend? Same with left wrist cock?

So it is acceptable to establish maximum right wrist bend at impact fix?

Vincent Van G.O.L.F.
 

The Right Wrist Bend you have at Fix is the Right Wrist Bend you have at Top.

You are the artist.

The Golfing Machine® provides the palet of colors.

Paint wisely.

There's one to add to "the top Yoda quotes of all time."

;)

You are seeing what you want to see! In both pics, the right wrist is obviously partially if not totally COCKED. Level means partially uncocked so that there is a straight line extending from the large thumb knuckle to along the top of the forearm. With the right arm in that position, were Daly's right wrist level, the club wouldn't even get to horizontal, but rather would point upward and out to the right.

DITTO !

Although it may not be totally level- It is HARDLY cocked. The wrist is folded back.

The wrist can have a MAX bend and be FULLY cocked. In this case, the right wrist is bent and more than just hardly cocked - the weight of the clubhead is cocking it. If you truly want to see this, take a club and try to get into that position with a level right wrist and also with a "hardly" cocked right wrist.

When I put my hands together in front of me as if clapping, elbows bent and some distance apart, with a flat level left wrist and a right level bent wrist, when I cock my left wrist in the plane of the left arm, I notice a corresponding rotation anti clockwise of my right forearm. Yoda or others would you consider that I am also cocking my right wrist? I am not able to cock the left wrist without this corresponding movement of the right forearm. Thanks for shedding some light on this recurring question of not cocking the right wrist.
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Absolutely.

And how much should the Right Wrist be Bent at Impact Fix?

The exact amount needed to get the Left Wrist "Flat".

There can be varying degrees of Bend, but there is only one Flat!