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annikan skywalker 03-22-2006 10:23 AM

Annikan Skywalker - Downstroke Sequence
 
Here's my latest ---35 lbs overweight and a bad left hand after I got struck by a student's clubhead on the downstroke 2 feet prior to impact...thank the Lord no broken bones..but a lot of pain!!!!

Here's my Swing




as compared to my Hit




mb6606 03-22-2006 10:53 AM

Great pics.
Stationary head with an awesome flat left wrist = compression.

tongzilla 03-22-2006 11:17 AM

Well done Annikan!
 
I'll leave it to others for the technical analysis.

Lets just say this is The Golfing Machine Golf Stroke epitomised in a human being. I've seen quite a few swings knocking about on the forums and I’m struggling to find a better one.

annikan skywalker 03-22-2006 11:30 AM

Tong...you're very flattering...

Swing would look better at 160lbs rather than 195lbs...

Thanks for the huge compliment....

My Swing is TGM Filet Mignon with some MORAD Bernaise!!!:cool: refering Back to our Hitting and Swinging analogies thread....

My Hit is TGM NY Strip with MORAD A1 Sauce!!!

After Lynn'shelp at Pine Needles...It really "polished up some alignments...my favorite frame is #7 with the Flying Wedges and the Hinge Action...I used to "swivel" through impact..erratic ball flight tendencies...The Rhythm of Hinging and the Flying Wedges...Cleaned it up!

rchang72 03-22-2006 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
my favorite frame is #7 with the Flying Wedges and the Hinge Action...I used to "swivel" through impact..erratic ball flight tendencies...The Rhythm of Hinging and the Flying Wedges...Cleaned it up!

Love the pics. Question: what do you mean by "swivel" through impact vs. hinging?

annikan skywalker 03-22-2006 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rchang72
Love the pics. Question: what do you mean by "swivel" through impact vs. hinging?

Hinge Action vs. Swivel...See Lynn's gallery of video's


I used to swivel into impact with the Swingers Standard Wrist Action with a Release swivel...and swivel coming out of impact with the left wrist/elbow as the Fulcrum...now I'm holding both lever assemblies to the same RPM's so the Left Shoulder is the Fulcrum to execute a Hinge Action...much smoother and even through impact rather than "flashy" with the short,quick, release swivel ....Rhtyhm of Hinging and the Flying wedges is the Cure!!!

tongzilla 03-22-2006 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Tong...you're very flattering...

Swing would look better at 160lbs rather than 195lbs...

Thanks for the huge compliment....

My Swing is TGM Filet Mignon with some MORAD Bernaise!!!:cool: refering Back to our Hitting and Swinging analogies thread....

My Hit is TGM NY Strip with MORAD A1 Sauce!!!

After Lynn'shelp at Pine Needles...It really "polished up some alignments...my favorite frame is #7 with the Flying Wedges and the Hinge Action...I used to "swivel" through impact..erratic ball flight tendencies...The Rhythm of Hinging and the Flying Wedges...Cleaned it up!

Flattery is like perfume water, to be smelt of, not swallowed.
-- Josh Billings
This ain't flattery, the precision alignments are self-evident for everyone to see.

You can really see the difference in Pivot Motion -- Massive Rotor for Swinging and the Launching Pad for Hitting (7-12). What a great demo.

Which bit of your swing shown is influenced by MORAD? It's just not obvious to my uneducated eyes.

annikan skywalker 03-22-2006 11:55 AM

Neck Tilts,Torso Tilts, Tailbone motion, Eyes, ears,...etc....;)


BTW..wish my rotor wasn't as massive...I'd settle for one that is smaller in size with the same horsepower or more....Smaller...but Faster!!! LOL:p

Matt 03-22-2006 11:56 AM

I like the squat you have - "riding a horse." And how it looks like you're really on your left side at the top and as you start down. I try to stomp down on my left foot almost as hard as I can during my swing, from startup to finish...

annikan skywalker 03-22-2006 12:03 PM

I used to push off my right foot and kick in my knee after some receiving some "wonderful" advice in my teenage years....I trained my right knee to move in the opposite direction by abduction of my legs....Little did I know I could get the same look if I used the ground via the Pivot train to pull via a transfer of momentum starting with the segments on my left side...ground up!!! Hmmmm!!! Manufactured versus Natural Physics????

12 piece bucket 03-22-2006 12:03 PM

Nice swing FAT ASS!!!! :D

annikan skywalker 03-22-2006 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Nice swing FAT ASS!!!! :D

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No kiddin...Bucket Ass!!!:D

Thanks for the "Southern Hospitality"...Sure helps the esteem..thank the Good Lord for "Selective Hearing/Reading"

Friends Don't let Friends go to Hell!!!

12 piece bucket 03-22-2006 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
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No kiddin...Bucket Ass!!!:D

Thanks for the "Southern Hospitality"...Sure helps the esteem..thank the Good Lord for "Selective Hearing/Reading"

Friends Don't let Friends go to Hell!!!

Woo!!!! I knew that would get a rise out of you! I love it when you get that fire in your eyes!

Fo' Real though. . . The motion(s) are AWESOME! Textbook stuff. You can definitely see what you were saying in an earlier post on Hinge vs. Swivel. On the Swinging motion you can see the Release Swivel of Standard Wrist Action in frame prior to impact. Then to Impact and Hinge Action. Love how the clubhead stays below your hands well into the follow through.

Is that a little Max Trigger Delay in the Hit? You can definitely see the differences in the Lauching Pad vs. Spinning the Flywheel in comparing the pivot motions.

Don't be mad a Lil' Bucket . . . he can't help it:D !

tongzilla 03-22-2006 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Nice swing FAT ASS!!!! :D

Fat people make more putts too. You know why? 'Cos their putt is always uphill.

12 piece bucket 03-22-2006 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Fat people make more putts too. You know why? 'Cos their putt is always uphill.

We make a mean "lumpy doughnut" too!

mb6606 03-22-2006 01:19 PM

At impact your right heel is further off the ground when swinging versus hitting. Can you explain why??
Thanks

Yoda 03-22-2006 01:35 PM

The Straight Line Delivery Path
 


In his Hitting Stroke, Annikan uses a Double Shift Plane Angle Variation (10-7-C) -- a Shift from the Elbow Plane to the Turned Shoulder Plane and back again. From the Top, he uses its compatible Delivery Path, Top Arc and Angled Line (10-23-D) wherein his Hands drop vertically from the Turned Shoulder Plane to the Elbow Plane before beginning their Straight Line Drive toward the Ball. Check out the yellow dots defining the Delivery Path. Note the three vertical dots opposite the Right Shoulder and torso, and compare them against the backdrop of the frame of the mirror in the background and assure yourself that they do indeed lie in a straight line. This is the 'vertical drop' from the Turned Shoulder Plane to the Elbow Plane and aligns the Hands for their Straight Line Thrust toward the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball.

All this is 'proof positive' that the four Straight Line Delivery Paths are possible (courtesy of Downstroke Axis Tilt via Hip Slide). There are those who say that the Hands can move only in a Circle (Circle Path Delivery), a contention that would make the Straight Line Delivery Paths an impossibility and hence the catalogued Variations bogus. But then...

These are the same folk who insisted for decades that the baseball pitcher's curve ball was an optical illusion. They forgot to ask the batters!

tongzilla 03-22-2006 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mb6606
At impact your right heel is further off the ground when swinging versus hitting. Can you explain why??
Thanks

Not Annikan, but it's a consequence of the difference between the Massive Rotor and Launching Pad. I doubt it was a position he strived to achieve in itself.

tongzilla 03-22-2006 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda

In Annikan's Hitting Stroke, check out the yellow dots defining the Delivery Path. Note the three vertical dots opposite the Right Shoulder and torso, and compare them against the backdrop of the frame of the mirror in the background and assure yourself that they do indeed lie in a straight line. This is 'proof positive' that the Straight Line Delivery Path is possible (courtesy of Downstroke Axis Tilt via Hip Slide). There are those who say that the Hands can move only in a Circle (Circle Path Delivery) a contention that would make the Straight Line Delivery Paths an impossibility and hence bogus the catalogued Variations. But then...

Yes, but if the Straight Line portion of the Delivery Path was that short (only the length of those three dots joined up), this implies a much bigger curved portion of the path, i.e. a big pulley for a Random Sweep Release. Annikan's Release clearly occurs well past those three dots. Further evidence, which unfortunately we do not have here, is that Hand Speed continues to increase right until Release. I would presume the Hands have not reached their maximum speed after the last of those three dots, hence that cannot be the end of the 'Straight' Line Delivery Path.

Any comments?
Thanks.

annikan skywalker 03-22-2006 02:40 PM

Here's one of my student's...Melanie Granville...still need work on the Rhythm of Hinging her grip is more 3 knuckles than two..not a 10-2-B or D....in between....1/2 turned?




One lesson a week for the past 9 months!!! She's playing at ECU next fall,prayerfully!!!!

EdZ 03-22-2006 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Here's one of my student's...Melanie Granville...still need work on the Rhythm of Hinging her grip is more 3 knuckles than two..not a 10-2-B or D....in between....1/2 turned?




One lesson a week for the past 9 months!!! She's playing at ECU next fall,prayerfully!!!!

Very, very nice.

Great job!

A ton of wonderful stuff there. Love that finish position - :)

tongzilla 03-22-2006 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Here's one of my student's...Melanie Granville...still need work on the Rhythm of Hinging her grip is more 3 knuckles than two..not a 10-2-B or D....in between....1/2 turned?




One lesson a week for the past 9 months!!! She's playing at ECU next fall,prayerfully!!!!

How do you tell she needs to work on the Rhythm of Hinging by looking at these photos?

Thanks.

EdZ 03-22-2006 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
How do you tell she needs to work on the Rhythm of Hinging by looking at these photos?

Thanks.

The second to last frame. Arms and body turn not quite together and a slightly limp left arm at that stage. A bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

Bagger Lance 03-22-2006 05:00 PM

Swingers Release
 
Overlapped vs. Sequenced Release perhaps???

I could watch Women swing all day. ;) A lot to learn there.

Bagger

12 piece bucket 03-22-2006 05:04 PM

He can"do" and he can teach. . .
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Here's one of my student's...Melanie Granville...still need work on the Rhythm of Hinging her grip is more 3 knuckles than two..not a 10-2-B or D....in between....1/2 turned?




One lesson a week for the past 9 months!!! She's playing at ECU next fall,prayerfully!!!!

Nice teachin'!!!:D

annikan skywalker 03-22-2006 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
How do you tell she needs to work on the Rhythm of Hinging by looking at these photos?

Thanks.

photos were taken from a lesson given this morning...I was there....she needs to work on Rhythm of Hinging...but you're right photos can be a tool of deception...just like Humor;)

tongzilla 03-22-2006 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
photos were taken from a lesson given this morning...I was there....she needs to work on Rhythm of Hinging...but you're right photos can be a tool of deception...just like Humor;)

Tongzilla puts his learning hat on.
The Release happens so fast, how can you tell? Did it look 'whippy' or something? When talking in strictly TGM terms, Rhythm is just executing the selected Hinge Action with a Flat Left Wrist, which she seems to do pretty well in this particular sequence. Is that what you mean or were you referring to something else?

One more request: can you please post a down-the-line view of your Hitting Stroke so we can see how your Hands drop vertically from the Turned Shoulder Plane to the Elbow Plane at Start Down?

powerdraw 03-22-2006 08:52 PM

how do you work on rythm?
also i am still in aw of frame 7, how does one get this look-action of the flat-arched left wrist over the ball like this...im drewling...great swing.

Homerson 03-22-2006 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
I used to push off my right foot and kickin my knee after some receiving some "wonderful" advice in my teenage years....I trained my right knee to move in the opposite direction by abduction of my legs....Little did I know I could get the same look if I used the ground via the Pivot train to pull via a transfer of momentum starting with the segments on my left side...ground up!!! Hmmmm!!! Manufactured versus Natural Physics????


Can you elaborate a little, Annikan?

You trained your right knee to move in WHICH direction by HOW?

Which LOOK did you create?

annikan skywalker 03-23-2006 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homerson
Can you elaborate a little, Annikan?

You trained your right knee to move in WHICH direction by HOW?

Which LOOK did you create?


Abduction is away from the centerline of your body istead of adduction is toward your centerline!


The Snead LOOK!!!

Homerson 03-23-2006 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Abduction is away from the centerline of your body istead of adduction is toward your centerline!


The Snead LOOK!!!


Ok, so using natural physics, the pivot train, the look is that the right knee goes away from the body(away from the ball?), THEN moves back toward the inside of the left knee(toward the body?)???

In my swing, I like the look of the right kneee moving straight toward the the left(without the push feel you talk about), BUT I do have some COG issues(according to foot pressure monitor technology).

Have I got it wrong?

annikan skywalker 03-23-2006 12:27 PM

Wrong? For Sequential motion...there would not be a push off the right foot and knee..it would be a pull down starting down with the segments of the lower extememities...

noproblemos 03-24-2006 01:06 AM



Edz said: [She]... a bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

I have a question about this “Hinging” and/or “finish swivel”:
First I assume:
1. These are both pics of the “follow through” position where both arms are straight.
2. Since you’re probably “Swinging” then you’re intending to use Horizontal Hinging.

OK, here's where I'm confused...
Edz has said that she seems to be “a bit early on the finish swivel.” But isn’t hers the way you are supposed to look, at the "both arms straight position", if you are using Horizontal Hinging? How can you [Annikan] be using Horizontal Hinging if your hands look like yours at followthrough. Wouldn’t that be more like Angled Hinging?

Isn't Horizontal Hinging a "full roll" through impact? her's looks like a full roll. Has she gone rolled too far too early?

12 piece bucket 03-24-2006 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noproblemos


Edz said: [She]... a bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

I have a question about this “Hinging” and/or “finish swivel”:
First I assume:
1. These are both pics of the “follow through” position where both arms are straight.
2. Since you’re probably “Swinging” then you’re intending to use Horizontal Hinging.

OK, here's where I'm confused...
Edz has said that she seems to be “a bit early on the finish swivel.” But isn’t hers the way you are supposed to look, at the "both arms straight position", if you are using Horizontal Hinging? How can you [Annikan] be using Horizontal Hinging if your hands look like yours at followthrough. Wouldn’t that be more like Angled Hinging?

Could depend on how Turned the grip is . . . don't have that pic so hard to tell.

Also note how David has maintained his paddlewheel of the right forearm more at follow through. The right forearm is not as "rolled." When Swivel replaces Hinge Action (be it angled or horizontal) alignment is erratic . . . Swivel being an INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm . . . not the entire left arm wedge. You can see this in the left arms as well.

noproblemos 03-24-2006 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Could depend on how Turned the grip is . . . don't have that pic so hard to tell.

Also note how David has maintained his paddlewheel of the right forearm more at follow through. The right forearm is not as "rolled." When Swivel replaces Hinge Action (be it angled or horizontal) alignment is erratic . . . Swivel being an INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm . . . not the entire left arm wedge. You can see this in the left arms as well.

But isn't the right arm supposed to be rolled in Horizontal Hinging? Otherwise, how can the clubface have moved horizontally.

BTW, how are Hinging and Swivel different? Are you saying that Swivel means the "INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm...not the entire left arm wedge"?

strav 03-24-2006 02:26 AM

[quote=Yoda]

In his Hitting Stroke, Annikan uses a Double Shift Plane Angle Variation (10-7-C) -- a Shift from the Elbow Plane to the Turned Shoulder Plane and back again. From the Top, he uses its compatible Delivery Path, Top Arc and Angled Line (10-23-D) wherein his Hands drop vertically from the Turned Shoulder Plane to the Elbow Plane before beginning their Straight Line Drive toward the Ball. Check out the yellow dots defining the Delivery Path. Note the three vertical dots opposite the Right Shoulder and torso, and compare them against the backdrop of the frame of the mirror in the background and assure yourself that they do indeed lie in a straight line. This is the 'vertical drop' from the Turned Shoulder Plane to the Elbow Plane and aligns the Hands for their Straight Line Thrust toward the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball.

All this is 'proof positive' that the four Straight Line Delivery Paths are possible (courtesy of Downstroke Axis Tilt via Hip Slide). There are those who say that the Hands can move only in a Circle (Circle Path Delivery), a contention that would make the Straight Line Delivery Paths an impossibility and hence the catalogued Variations bogus.
QUOTE]

If the Hands are a portion of the Lever Assembly and they do not move in a circle as your 'proof positive' demonstrates, haven't you negated 1-L-8 and 1-L-9?

1-L-8. No portion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently.
1-L-9. Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle.

tongzilla 03-24-2006 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strav
If the Hands are a portion of the Lever Assembly and they do not move in a circle as your 'proof positive' demonstrates, haven't you negated 1-L-8 and 1-L-9?

1-L-8. No portion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently.
1-L-9. Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle.

The Hands move in a straight line for only a brief period, whilst the Lever Assembly (the whole of Left Arm and Club) moves in a circle around the left shoulder socket.

How can the Hands move in a straight line but the Lever Assembly move in a circle simulatenously? The answer is the Axis Tilt during Start Down performed with a Stationary Head and Hip Slide towards your selected Delivery Line.

strav 03-24-2006 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
The Hands move in a straight line for only a brief period, whilst the Lever Assembly (the whole of Left Arm and Club) moves in a circle around the left shoulder socket.

How can the Hands move in a straight line but the Lever Assembly move in a circle simulatenously? The answer is the Axis Tilt during Start Down performed with a Stationary Head and Hip Slide towards your selected Delivery Line.


As per 1-L-21, how would you demonstrate your contention geometrically?

12 piece bucket 03-24-2006 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noproblemos
But isn't the right arm supposed to be rolled in Horizontal Hinging? Otherwise, how can the clubface have moved horizontally.

BTW, how are Hinging and Swivel different? Are you saying that Swivel means the "INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm...not the entire left arm wedge"?

).

2-G HINGE MOTION The Hands can be educated to reproduce them by holding at least one Hand vertical or parallel to the corresponding Basic Plane. These motions also duplicate the motions of paddles of a paddlewheel rotating around its axis vertical to one of the three Basic Planes. And an equivalent could be “Clubface Paddlewheel Action” executed as a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion. Thus, though some procedures may cause the Clubface to “Close” in relation to the Plane Line, none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands. See 2-C and 6-B-3-0. There is, however, the “Release Roll” (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignments by Accumulator #3 with (10-18-A only). After the selected Hinge Action has been executed, the Swivel is again useful for Snap Rolling the hands into their On Plane Condition for the Finish (8-12). That is the Geometry of Hinging.


4-C-3 ROLLED The Wrist is ROLLED when it is rotated to the left. This moves the Wrist backe to the VERTICAL condition from the TURNED condition. The Wrist should never normally ROLL beyond the VERTICAL condition during the Release. But the Roll may be varied to suit the purpose at hand. It may begin early or late, behind or ahead of normal position, or even be left in the Turned position until after Impact. See 4-D-0.

HERE'S A FANTASTIC EXPLANATION BY COLLARDS ON THE INTRACACIES OF HINGE ACTION AND SWIVEL I have this tatoo'd on my forehead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Collard Greens
For example...

Stand erect with your arms hanging normally at your sides. The dial of your wristwatch faces west. Leaving your arms at your sides, turn your body to the right. Note that the dial now faces north. Did you turn your hand? No. Is it in a turned condition? Yes. Why? Because that what happens when the arms and hands maintain their natural relationship to the turning body.

Now extend your left arm in front of your shoulder and parallel to the ground. Point your left forefinger straight ahead in a mock 'shooting a pistol' configuration. Now swing your arm horizontally to the right as if you were going to 'shoot' a target opposite your right shoulder. Lower your hand to waist high. Is it in a turned condition? Yes. Did you turn it? No. This is the natural action produced by the swinging arm.

In both cases, the 'turn' was gradual and not completed until the movement itself was completed. Per 2-G, neither was an actual 'turn' of the hand, nor would its reverse motion be a true 'roll.' The left arm and hand has simply swung like a gate from its hinges and remained vertical (perpendicular) to the ground. The identical motion on an inclined plane appears to turn and roll. In reality, it is merely the Hinge Action, that is, the left wrist staying perpendicular to the horizontal plane. In other words, the wrist turns...but it is not turned (independently of the turning body or swinging arms).

However, the Swivel Action is a true rotation independent of the natural motion of the body and arms. For example, in the above drill, instead of your left wrist remaining vertical (perpendicular) to the ground as it swings first to the right and then back to the left, it would immediately twist palm down to the ground. That is an independent swivel. The same is true on the return move wherein the hand remains palm down until the arm passes the line-of-sight and twists back to its beginning 'perpendicular to the ground' alignment.

It may help to think of an actual hinge: the blade simply moves in a circle around the pin and remains perpendicular to its plane of motion. The movement is a structured, mechanical rotation of the blade about its hinge pin axis. At no time, however, does the blade itself actually twist. Now, with a pair of pliers, you could physically take hold of the blade and twist it, but in so doing, you would bend it -- the blade would no longer be perpendicular to its plane of motion -- and perhaps even tear it from its pin. In either event, the hinge action will have been destroyed.

This is what happens when you twist your left wrist -- to the right or to the left. You have a Swivel Action. In G.O.L.F., it is the Swingers Standard Left Wrist Action (10-18-A) -- Start Up and Release Swivels -- to effect On Plane Clubhead Control on the Backstroke and to increase the Lag of the #3 Accumulator into Impact. The Finish Swivel is used by both Swingers and Hitters to complete the Stroke after the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position). At no time does either Swinger or Hitter use Swivel Action to control the Clubface Alignment during Impact.

That is the realm of the Hinge Action
.

To take Doc Collards example a step further . . . Get your little gun finger pointing straight ahead. Now rotate your left palm up to face the SKY. Then drop it down on the Inclined Plane. There you can see what INDEPENDENT ROTATION OF THE LEFT FOREARM does for you and why as a result things be come erratic. You have OVER-ROLLED. Hinge Motion is consistent. Independent rotation of the LEFT FOREARM is fleeting. REMEMBER it is a LEFT ARM FLYING WEDGE not a LEFT FOREARM FLYING WEDGE. The whole Wedge executes the Hinge Motion and the left forearm executes the Swivel back up the Inclined Plane.

annikan skywalker 03-24-2006 10:24 AM

A Hall of Fame post combined with a Hall of Famer ....Bravo...well done and well explained....There is a difference between Turned and Turning....The entire Arm vs. the lower arm....Nice!!!


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