Roundhousing
 

Is there a secret on how to counteract this pestilence?

What kind of effects does roundhousing cause in your swing? I think I may roundhouse also. Seventy percent of my shots are currently toward the heel of the club, its disgusting!

Roundhousing
 

It causes shots that strangle the ball with a too early closure of the clubhead!

Rx For Roundhousing
 

From a correct Backstroke Top, do a ton of Start Down Waggles. I'm sure you can find a detailed description of this move in my Archives. Also, I demonstrate it in at least one of my videos, but I can't remember which one (I think it was in the Jeff Hull Series).

Most Roundhousers -- typically Slicers -- do not move to their left side, i.e., shift their Weight and slide their Left Hip slightly, adequately from the Top. Instead, they hang back on their right side and their Weight stays more centered. As a result, there is little Axis (spine) Tilt and the Right Shoulder cannot possibly move in its proper plane (toward the Ball).

So, give yourself a split second longer at the Top, and allow your Feet and Knees time to initiate the Downstroke 'Pull' via the Hip Action and Shoulder Turn. Your Hands will feel as though they remain at the Top. [During a lesson, I will often hold the student's Hands in place as he drills his Start Down Action.] Then, make sure you Pull your Hands directly toward the Ball and the Baseline of your Plane.

Remember, your goal is to swing down and out toward the Plane Line directly in front of you. That is quite a different thing than attempting to swing toward the target. Ironically, the oft-heard advice to swing 'toward the target' is the genesis of Roundhousing.

:)

Axis tilt
 

You want axis tilt to allow the shoulders to be on-plane in the downswing. Start the downswing by sliding the hips forward. Imagine the right shoulder hitting the inside aft of the ball.

My personal experience with this is .. I have to learn with a plane board.. Now that i understands it, I can practice without a plane board.

Set the board up to turned shoulder plane or whatever shoulder plane.. without a club and during the downswing , tilt and move the shoulder down tracing that plane board like the one in the TGM picture.. I got the concept correctly by doing that.. Then start doing it without a plane board. And its exactly like what TGM suggests, the shoulder stays back yet move down and out towards the plane line.


Did plenty of start down waggle to groove it and trust it. Hope this helps .

The secret of golf.
 

Load the "lag" and sustain it, which holds the swing on plane, regardless of its angle.

BTS... I don't understand your statement. Isn't it still possible to load the lag even round housing or bent plane? and not loading lag but still not round housing.

Kindly explain please..

thankyou.

Magic....It's in the Magic
 

One Phrase...."Magic of the Right Forearm". Practice it first at Impact Fix.

DG

CollardCoveredSmotheredandChunked . . .

Superb offering O'Green'Un! G.O.L.F. Swings cannot live on Plane Lines alone . . . It is The Word of the one that looks like Mr. Magoo that gives them the breath of life.

I took the liberty of drawing attention to one particular phrase in your eloquent post . . . Time O' Give me time!!!! to quote BoyGeorge.

It is that FRACTION of a second taken or not taken that is the crossroads of many a golf stroke. I am guilty as charged of being a bit "premature" (feel free to insert your joke here). At the top the time is at hand . . . you have a choice Downstroke Blackout? Or Strong Deliberate and Heavy Lag Pressure in your paws?

And as TIME goes . . . Mr. Kelley was ADAMANT that we place our FOCUS ON THE HANDS . .. not the clubhead. WHY?????? Because once you place your focus on your hands . . . things IMMEADIATELY SLOW . . . . DOWN. For one reason your hands are closer to you . .. the clubhead is WAY OUT THERE AT THE END OF THE RADIUS.

Another critical area of concern at the Top as Mr. Greenjeans so expertly points out is . .. Your TARGET is right there IN FRONT OF YOU . .. THE PLANE LINE . . . NOT to the LEFT OF YOU (the target). If your target is THE TARGET, you will be develop a close and intimate relationship with the FIRST SNARE . . . Steering.

So . . . At the top . . . It is your time to decide . . . and time is it . . . take the time . . . you have more time up there than you think to be DELIBERATE.

Will you be that one degree that makes the Tower of Piza lean? That one penny that makes a buck? That one made freethrow that sends the game into OT? That one last push that gets baby out? That one didgit that wins the Powerball?

Or are you gonna let your unweildy Right Shoulder wreck what otherwise could be that one stroke that wins you the Bumfudge Open?

Thanks for a great post Bossman!

Roundhousing IS my problem. I've got everything else, FLW, BRW, good pivot. BUT at the start of my down stroke that right shoulder goes a little out instead of down and I smother hook it.

If I could get my right shoulder down plane consistently, I really feel like I could be a good (scratch or better) player. Instead I'm stuck at 5 because of 2 or 3 smother hooks per round.

Yes, but....
 

Yes, but very difficult, unless you really want to "hit it straight".
Yes, but very difficult, unless you really don't care if you're gonna "hit it straight".

It's in your intent.

What type of knee/hip action are you using in your pattern? How well is your right forearm set on plane at impact fix? Do you use a left foot position that is square or open to the target line?

As always, let impact fix be your guide to alignments.

Check out the Tomasello videos, chapter 1 for a good pivot drill.

Thanks Ed, I'll look into some of those.

Standard Hip Action
Standard Knee Action
Left foot a little open to the target line.

If you are really serious about fixing this problem . . . mat, net video camera and hard work are your answers . . . I'm convinced you can't drill this away. You gotta figure it out yourself and MONITOR your progress via video WITHOUT having to worry about where the ball is going.

People can tell you do this . . . do that . . . it'll feel like this . . . but it is TOTALLY a personal journey. Your feels must be confirmed with the visual feedback of video. You may have to feel like a mongoloid to make it happen . . . but the video don't tell no lies.

I took some video of my swing yesterday and confirmed what I already felt I was doing.

Above the turned shoulder plane a little on the downstroke coupled with clubhead throwaway, which I did not have last summer. No wonder I'm pulling it left of Hillary Clinton. I feel like I'm back to square one.

I'll heed your words
 

Thanks 12pb, it is a very personal journey.

I think the throwaway actually comes from taking too many practice swings in the garage during the winter without hitting balls, there is nothing to throw the lag against, so over a few weeks it just gets lost. Same thing with roundhousing.

I've got a net and a mat, I will get a better camera and get to work.

We all need an impact bag
 

Throw your lag against an impact bag......and throw your right shoulder the same way while your at it...
I know I need one......

Speaking Of Impact Bags...Help!
 

I want to private label an impact bag for LBG. If anybody in our community can help me with a foreign manufacturer-direct contact here, I'd appreciate a Private Message. I've run into a couple of dead ends on my own. Thanks!

Roundhousing
 

Do You mean throwing PP1+PP3+ Right shoulder out to the right field Yoda?

I do the Ben Doyle tire test every day. I have a small tire just like on his videos and I can move the tire pretty good without flipping it over. For some reason it just doesn't translate over the ball.

I'll try and get some video of it. Left wrist stays flat, right stays bent and the tire moves in a straight line a good 3-4 feet and doesn't flip over.

What else should I be trying to monitor?

Unfortunately hitting a golf ball and hitting a tire are two entirely different things so far as the brain is concerned (to a lot of people). The tire drill teaches you the motion but you need to change your programming for the ball to have a FLW, BRW through impact. I like the idea of putting a dowel a few inches behind the ball, that will keep you honest.

Matt

After looking at more video of my swing both over a ball and hitting the tire I have concluded that my backswing shoulder turn is quite different over the ball than hitting the tire.

While hitting the tire, my backswing shoulder turn is quite a bit flatter, while over the ball it looks like I'm scrunching my shoulders a bit instead of fully turning them, thus causing the roundhouse move. Problem rectified and positive results so far. We'll see how it goes.

Three For the Road
 

Remember, the Flat Left Wrist at Impact and the In-Line condition from Sweet Spot to Left Shoulder constitute only Phase II of the Law of the Flail -- Centrifugal Momentum. In Phase I, the Club, having been taken Out-of-Line with the Left Arm, is then Released to seek its In-Line condition. In Phase III, the Club must once again get Out-of-Line. Only when the Club passes smoothly through all three phases can you hope to have an effective full Golf Stroke.

Practice the dowel drill I do in the video Are You Ready To Roll. http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...to=219&cat=517

First use a dowel to get the feel of the action, and then use a club gripped well down. IMPORTANT: Hold the dowel and club in your FIST (thumb around the shaft) and NOT in a normal golf grip. This automatically produces the Out-of-Line condition mandated in Phases I and III. Check this hold after a few passes because you've probably gone back to your normal left hand grip. Almost everybody does. :naughty:

Then, using the left hand only but using a normal golf grip, hold the club at the end of the shaft. Finally, using both hands in a normal grip, make half-swings emphasizing the exact same Flailing motion as in the drills.

Stay with it a while, and my guess is you will be pleasantly surprised at the results. :thumleft:

Inside-Out Impact
 

I TOTALLY AGREE.

The other side of the same coin is this:

Conceptualizing "Inside-Out Impact" is the genesis of Plane perfection.

As one of my students so eloquently put it, “we are captives of our concepts.”

"That’s habit executing its ignorance."

Sorry Lynn- a GREAT HK quote, I couldn't hold on to it any longer.

Ted- drop me a pm with phone and address. :happy3:

Boooooooooooooooooooooom!

Yes sir! I'd like to add to this . . . glcoach . . . You have a net. After your dowel drilling, you should perform this WITH CLUB and WITH BALL at like 10% or 5% of your normal speed. SUUUUUUUUUPER SLOW. It is really easy to focus on the Clubhead and NOT YOUR HANDS at this speed. If you can compress it at this very slow-mo speed you have done it by monitoring your Hands.

To me there are TWO types of "Flat" Left Wrists . . . One that is HELD TIGHTLY FLAT by shere effort. Homer said that you COULD learn this way. You may miss the ball but EVENTUALLY BECAUSE you have HELD THAT THING TIGHT AND FLAT you HAVE TO do the things that are required.

On the other hand, a DYNAMICALLY Flat Left Wrist is one that has its basis in the Law of the Flail as Doc Collards points out above. Watch the video and pay PARTICULAR ATTENTION to the "UNCOCKING ON THAT LINE!" portion. That is HAMMERING on an Inclined Plane . . . that's all it is. The motion of the #2 Accumulator (the velocity accumulator) is simply AN EXTENSION OF THE LEVER ASSEMBLY. That's it you are just EXTENDING or better yet CF is extending it if you are a Swinger. If your effort and intent is upon extending the lever assembly, you have no inclination to flip or throw it away.

The #3 Accumulator is TRANSFER POWER . . . the velocity that results from the EXTENSION via #2 is TRANSFERED via the ROLL (on that line) of #3. But it all results from a simple extension or a hammering motion FIRST . . . that MUST be followed by a ROTATION (Roll) Never Never Never a Horizontal Motion has no place in the Downstroke . . .period.

If you can execute these motions with a dowel then sooooooooper slow with the club ball and net . . . then you can kick it up a notch. Everytime I went to see Eddie Cox we hit THOUSANDS of HARD chips and pitches. SLING THAT CLUB OUT TO FULL EXTENSION. SLING IT DOWN DOWN DOWN. Stop at follow through to see if your Left Wrist is Flat and FULLY UNCOCKED. It will be if you have extended the lever assembly and ROLLED. Otherwise you flipped. This is a DYMANICALLY FLAT LEFT WRIST.

Here's the Law of the Flail in ACTION . . .

Get a Plane board. to feel how the shoulder goes down plane

Its the shortest route. at least for me it is.

Classic post Bucket!! Great stuff here.
The drill that Yoda described is something that I have been doing all winter long and he is right once you get it right it will immediately move your game to the next level. Just get some weird looks at the range though when all I do is swish a dowel about for 100 times :D
Alex

Great posts.

They have helped a ton. Uncocking on the straight plane line forces the right shoulder down plane.

12 pb, I have performed the chips and pitches at slow speeds, I now understand what you are saying by "keeping it flat" and "dynamically flat"

Alot of times, in my effort to keep a flat left wrist, my right shoulder took over, thereby bending the plane line, which resulted in a big push, or if my body rejected this motion, I flipped it at the end and pulled it.

Uncocking on the plane line cleared that up. My right shoulder goes more down plane, I have more snap.

One more thing, I pop that tire a whole lot LOUDER now. I like messing with the neighbors :)

Yes sir! Go take a look at 2-K and pay particular attention the The Golfer's Flail portion of the figure . . . Just imagine a hinge pin in your wrist that allows for VERTICAL Motion and a swivel hinge that allows for ROTATION but NO HORIZONTAL.

I got caught up in Flat Left Wrist by just physically holding the dang thing flat . . . but the GEOMETRIC BASIS is The Law of the Flail . . . don't get the club out of line with the left arm by allowing HORIZONTAL MOTION . . . ever.

#2 is just an extension of the Lever Assembly . . . #3 picks up the residual velocity and TRANSFERS it to the ball via a Rotaion. One thing I like to monkey is just start at release point and uncock strongly down on the plane line way behind the ball like two feet. The I just gradually continue uncockin further down the Plane Line until I can catch the ball and then go to low point in front of the ball. This will give you a sense the amount of Release Swivel needed to get your wrist in its Flat Level Vertical alignment at Impact.

Good luck . . . sounds like you're gettin' there!