THE BIGGIES
 

What starts it (club) back?
What keeps it going to the Top or End?
What starts it DOWN?
What keeps it going through IMPACT on to the Finish?

Re: THE BIGGIES
 

Homer and Lynn talk about a reverse pressure point- #3, aka extensor action.

Extensor action continues to bring the hands to the top as the right elbow bends- the left arm straightens and the left shoulder reacts to the right shoulder's turn.

A hip bump. I can't tell you how important this is. It is a small, slight move that sets the pivot and the power package for delivery. 10-14-B.
Aiming point, full arm extension finishes it.



What do you guys think?

"A hip bump"

For Fred Couples that "bump" is about 8 inches.

Hip Slide Drill
1. Impact Fix at Setup
2. Backstoke to Top
3. Hip Slide (no rotation, SLIDE)
- Shoulder remains ONLY movement is hips
4. Straight Down the Line

Do Slow tillyou get the Feeling

You should be able to feel PP#3 at the TOP and Down Through.

How much you slide your hips is definitely limited by the movement that would disrupt the plane (shoulder position in this case)

Good post, Martee! :D

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Good post Martee!!

What starts it back?
What keeps it going back to the Top or End?

Something must be used to start the club in motion. What do you guys do?

Something keeps it going to the Top or End. Muscle activity... or momentum...what do you do?

I am confused on the same thing
 

I am confused on the same thing... when starting the backswing I seem to see several suggestions, maybe they are all correct or misleading I just don't know. When starting the backswing, do you start with a small hip turn, a shoulder turn, neither just swing the club back and up and in.
I have seen on an older statement on Chuck's forum to swing the club back with your back about a foot from the wall and don't hit the wall. That seems to me no turn of shoulders or hips..... help lift the fog.

Hmm?
 

I take the club back, up and in, a few different ways with different patterns. I've never seemed to settle on only one way. I bring the club down, out and forward in only a couple of ways.

I would like to have only one way up and one way down. Anyone with suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I watched Goosen on Saturday and slow motioned almost all of his swings from down the line. Very interesting observation. In the beginning of the round his arms and shoulders were very much together all the way till his shoulders stopped, then his arms would continue to the end of his backswing. Beautiful. At the end of the round, his arms were starting the swing back and his shoulders and arms would complete the backswing together. I thought it was very interesting to see him progress this way from the beginning of the round to the end. I have seen players have arms start the shorter clubs and shoulders start the longer clubs but this is the first time I have seen anyone progress this way with all clubs. I noticed also that when he started with his arms he added a wrist turn.

"In the beginning of the round his arms and shoulders were very much together all the way till his shoulders stopped, then his arms would continue to the end of his backswing."

Faldo and Azinger were very critical of Dimarco doing this.

Faldo, DiMarco
 

...and how about Tiger. In his book, his shoulders are fully turned 90 degrees while his left arm is still parallel to the ground. From this position his arms completing the swing is very noticable.

I like the views that Faldo adds to the broadcast, but Azinger needs to calm down. Too often he sounds overly anxious to get a few words in edgewise.

Faldos Comments
 

I didn't hear what Faldo said? Could you repeat his words, or paraphrase please?

Hey, fellow golfers please answer our question, what do you or what is the best way to start the back swing? Thanks.

Start the backswing
 

in most cases, the arms. Arms then move shoulders...shoulder turn then moves hips. Revearse for downswing.

In the golfing machine there are three basic ways to start the backswing....

Standard Hip Action.......Pivot Controlled Hand.....it will give you a natural angled Delivery path

Delayed Hip Action with Right Forearm Takeaway (Hand Controlled Pivot) and your shoulders powering your hips in the backswing by way of the right forearm takeaway.....the players skill level will dictate which delivery path he or she will use....study 2-H to make the connection. No free lunch today....


or the derivative of delayed .....Right Forearm and Hips.....refer to 10-15-B where it says in the first sentence....."or at least lead"; ie; the shoulders......this is a special case backstroke (call it a combination of standard and delayed)...a la Tom Tomasello. Hips Power (or active) but with Leading Shoulders through the Right Forearm Takeaway keeping the hands on the straight line delivery path.

What I just described to you took about 12 years to fully understand and appreicate...

The big hurdle will be the integration with component 23 "Delivery Paths".


For my money and experience with the machine......how you start the backswing...should be the way you start the downswing.....standard hip action....should be follow by a lower body downswing....the right forearm take away should be followed by a right forearm start down for both hitters and swingers.....I'm sure that will ring a few bells.......

DG

I have to tell you that your simple and straightforward question is challenging to answer in a simple and straightforward way.

I would offer that no voluntary muscle contraction will move anything without a thought. I mean that you have an intention to move something somewhere before the muscles get into action.

So, the "best way to start the back swing" requires you to determine what you are going to move (your hands) and where are you going to move them (postion at The Top or End).

In The Golf Machine, Homer Kelly identifies the hands as the "command posts" for the golf motion. Your job is to discover the path your hands should take on the backswing.

If you think these ideas will help you with your question, your next step will be to select a Plane of Motion to guide you on the backswing.

I can continue with more information in another reply if you're interested. If you think these ideas are wacky, no offence taken.

Hope this helps

DG,

That's is what I am feeling now (what you mentioned, whatever goes up, come down first, I am using the right forearm takeaway and as a hitter, coming down, I don't feel any noticeable hip slide to the right, or axis tilt. So my question is in related thread in Brian, Chuck or this forum, it has been mentioned that the first move down is the hip; and remove the slack by moving the hip, no shoulder move etc.. This is in contradiction on your comment for hitter using delated hip action.

Hitter.....

Start with Hips (body) per 2-M-4 = 4 Barrel

Start with Right Forearm per 10-20-B = 3 Barrel (true hitter)


DG