Right forearm and elbow and elbow plane..
 

There is a very subtle yet important difference between Right arm swing and extensor Action through #3... I believe there is... but what you think about this;

Is right arm swing harmful to a golf stroke ( incompatibility) trying to load the #3 PP ....using the right forearm extending...
I think it is quite harmful.. especially that alone will affect rhythm, ie easy to hit Fat shots and actually quite bad for the elbow... Am I wrong to assume that?The stroke becomes Switting.... anyway... anybody can explain why is Switting bad ?... I just want to see its the same as what I assume...


With a Swing and extensor just extending 3.. the arm takes a more passive role...The pivot will load and deliver the power package/pressure point..( doesn't seem right.. but ... is it?)


Also... Is it alright to delay the left wrist flattening in a swing or even hitting as in go back slightly on Hand plane or move the hand straight back on elbow plane.. I feel its easier to load the PP because of more Coil Thus easier to move into the elbow plane; Ie easier to swing..

Thank you

Mmmmm' I don't see how you apply/feel extensor action through pp#3 although i've never really thought about it .
To me pp#3 only senses loading and lag pp#1 senses extensor action

PP1 .. yes its correct if its for hitting.. as the forearm supports the arm primary assembly thus extensor action is applied through PP1

PP3 for swinging.. because the forearm and extensor action support the secondary assembly...

Interesting, pp#1 "causes" extensor action while pp#2 "senses" extensor action. IMHO!

In my experience - I have found pp3 better for sweep loading and release and pp1 for snap.....

right forearm and elbow
 

I feel that extensor action is applied by the right forearm and right elbow with the Right Forearm Take-Away since pressure points 1, 2 and 3 are on the aft side of the shaft and EA is inline with the shaft. Of the three, a REVERSE #3 PP snaps the left arm leash with the RFT. Extensor Action does not move the left arm. The pull is straight out along the shaft -- not radial. It is structure glue for the Flying Wedges.

Thanks for reply..

Why we shouldn't Swit then?...Why is it in compatible? How would you explain it in words.
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Secondly.. full Swinging procedure- elbow plane... TGM way is

Start up Swivel to get the Sweet spot plane on plane.

My question is ... Since, Elbow plane require alot of Fanning and Back action. of the arms seldom get behind us often enough..Why couldn't we just bring the elbow back and Swivel mid to end of the swing.. That way we load the accumulator 4 (123) ... instead of the ( 123) 4 sequence..

Its much easier to bring the arm back.. and allow for better Pivot Lag.

So... instead of RFT .. its elbow and arms takeaway..

There is RFT, RST.. and why shouldn't be RET

Of course its not very TGM.. but .... i noticed.. Sam snead... Hogan does it.. soo... can we?

I am sorry if i am talking about other models.. but ... just thinking out of the box.. !

RFT- RST- RET, they all seem to be the same to me.
The club that is push away by a turning shoulders and controlled by this top half of a pivot is a shoulder take-away. Use by many.

Any take-away that is taken away with the right arm or the right forearm flying wedge is a RFT. Lawn mower cord pulling action (RFT) vs. left hand shove to a handshake kind of a thing.

Why the RFT for me? Total control of my swing plane and pivot.

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You cannot have Educated Hands without an Educated "Coconut." So fill your brain with good stuff from Homer's Yellow Book and Lynn Blake's Forum and let it filter down to the Hands.

RFT is in fact RST and RET... I have to agree to disagree..

My point of view is.. something have to be the leader, the King.. Everything have sequence as one is linked to another. I think .. the fact is everything participate ...Thus the comment... RFT is in fact RST.

But I do very much agree RFT and RET can be the same.. because elbow is just connected to the forearm.

However... we have two elbows.. i am talking about bringing BOTH not just one elbow back ..letting both elbow lead the back swing to load the PP 4 or accumulator 4 first.

The reason i said this is.. Look at Hogan.. snead..even Macogrady their takeaway position at waist level.

No.1 the left wrist haven't really swivelled.. and even the left wrist have not really flatten
no.2 Both swinger .. the right elbow is pretty high.. they did not set up for Pitch elbow.Evidently the right elbow is not lower than the right...
No.3 left elbow moves into the body

So.. I figure the only way is to both elbow back... Elbow Leads.. but doesn't mean there is no forearm. wrist, shoulder..

Hogan, Snead and Mac all used a turning shoulder take-away.

If you let the turn or pivot move the club and heads- you shoulder take away. If you let the right hand/arm move the club up, it is a right arm take-away. That simple. Some RFT fan and lift, some pull and lift from the right elbow. Depends where you want your elbow to be.

Pivot control or Hands control. On the take-away, both work for me. Just get back to Hands control on the Down Stroke which is a product of the Hip Action's collaboration with the power package and hands.

Bucket
 

Bucket,
I'll stop by in the next hour with the ambulance- Looks like we'll be headed to New Jersey this time- as the PowerPackage has only 5 more posts until he hits 1000. I've got a room already reserved for him up on the 6th floor. This time don't forget the body jacket, straps and tranquilizers!!! Remember what happened last time with EdZ and Birdie Man!:violent: As usual, I'll have the 12 piece bucket of chicken in the back for the ride up.

Sure whatever . . . make sure you get the ambulance driver's MOUTH taped up this time. The last time you taped the wrong end and we had to sing row row row your boat and the Barney song until I just about soiled myself. AND if you don't like the thigh meat . . . don't take a bite and put it back in the bucket like you did in Canada.

Don't them Soprano's live in NJ? Better bring the good cheese grater for this job. See you about 3 . . . I'll bring that Freedom Rock 8 track you like so good.

L8R pee pants.

cool mike.. I like that explanation....

well just happily day dreaming things out !...

Can you explain switting so you can hit 1000 post sooner /wink

The more I study The Golfing Machine the less I know about Switting.

You read every month or watch instruction clips online where an instructor teaches a Swinging component and a Hitter's component in the same article.
They are grabbing at straws. They are seeing what sticks to the wall.

Once you learn 12-1-0 and 12-2-0. Built a Machine that rips it for you.

right forearm takeaway
 

Help, during the take away or backswing, my right elbow is pointing rearward/backward instead of down and I do not know what I am doing to cause this. Please explain in detail what I should feel as I take the clubhead from the ball and bring my arms up. I need to know how to do the start up swivel. Thanks, Maureen

The Feel of Start Up
 

Practice the MacDonald Exercises, especially the 'free Arm Swing.' http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4435 Click on the photos for a larger version, and follow the instructions exactly.

Practice first without a Club (#5 and #6); then, with a Club (#5-#7). Make the Swing Motion continuously, i.e., back and through and back and through and back and through. As instructed, limit the motion to a half-swing, keeping your heels together as your Feet execute their 'mark time' action in perfect timing with the Arm Swing. Swing your Arms freely from your Shoulders as you keep your torso facing the Line. Also, stick a tee in the butt end of your Club, and make sure it points at the Line on both ends of the Stroke.

As you swing the Club continuously back and through and back and through and back and through, feel the Hands leading and the Club lagging, especially as you 'reverse the motion' (backwards from Finish to Top) and swing through the Start Up and into the Backstroke and to the Top. Soon, you'll be able to retain that Feel as you start the Swing from your selected Address Position. This is the Feel of Lag and Drag, and it is no less than The Secret of the Game.

Do these simple drills for just a few minutes a day, and soon any worry about 'Start Up Swivel' will be a thing of the past.

:)

Hello all, I know this is an old post but have the pictures vanished? I clicked on the link and saw no pics. Would love to see them if possible.

Soon this 6 feet of snow will melt! Can't wait!!

Thanks

No Missing Link
 

The link works fine for me, jcurtis. Try again!

If you still have a problem, PM Bambam, and he'll make it happen.

Thanks Lynn, wasn't working with Mozilla. Tried IE and I see them now. Thanks again.

A Swingers Right Elbow position
 

Guys,
I had a session today with my AI and I am trying to learn how to swing; I have a tendency to have a hitters elbow, and I want to learn to prepare my elbow better in a swingers down pointing elbow position; any of you have any drills or functional training ideas that will help me. I can get the elbow in the position on the slower practice swings but when we look at the swing on video once I swing at full speed it tends to look more like Mr. Palmers elbow position vice Mr. Hogan’s position or Mr. Woods. Please help; My AI has given me great guidance, but I would like to read and hear more ideas on something’s that might have worked for some of you guys.
Very Respectfully
Step:golf:

I kinda went through this but so far this is what I learn, why switting can be dangerous.

The right elbow being active have few types of Hurdles.


The low points will move. ( right arm swing) fats and skulls .
Over acceleration. ( Right arm thrust too much to give up Rhythm), and casting.
The elbow directs the thrust , steering. Confusing circular vs angled thrust.


Few things that I think had help me

Use PP4, ie the PIVOT to straighten the right elbow. Therefore the pivot movements alignments, and sequencing is very important.
PULL the left thumb.. instead of push down ( lightly) for extensor action. This will set the flying wedge correctly.
Give up control to gain control , this is a very important feel. Let it start from ground up.Let the arm fly out of the sockets and"throw the ball at the target."