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grapegoat 05-22-2007 11:48 PM

anything for the right wrist
 
Are there any aids for the right wrist. I have pieced together parts from a hanger to make something i can tape to my wrist that keeps it level. I have also made another piece to keep from adding more bend to it that i start with at impact fix. I have been pondering ideas of how to make something that can be helpful and the only thing i can come up with is plaster and make a half cast that can be affixed to the hand. If anyone has any ideas let them be known or if there is something already on the market that would be great also.

I have been dealing with an underplane move after basic motion and from there it is just crazy. With the hangers fixed to the hand the plane is drastically different and loads better. The bending motion of the right wrist is the blame for this as i over-bend it and get the club way underplane.

Bagger Lance 05-23-2007 08:11 AM

The Key
 
The best product I've found is called "The Key".

Do a web search on Gary Wiren and The Key.

I bought mine at the PGA Superstore, but I'm sure there are online stores.

neil 05-23-2007 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by grapegoat (Post 41911)
Are there any aids for the right wrist. I have pieced together parts from a hanger to make something i can tape to my wrist that keeps it level. I have also made another piece to keep from adding more bend to it that i start with at impact fix. I have been pondering ideas of how to make something that can be helpful and the only thing i can come up with is plaster and make a half cast that can be affixed to the hand. If anyone has any ideas let them be known or if there is something already on the market that would be great also.

I have been dealing with an underplane move after basic motion and from there it is just crazy. With the hangers fixed to the hand the plane is drastically different and loads better. The bending motion of the right wrist is the blame for this as i over-bend it and get the club way underplane.

Extensor action?

neil 05-23-2007 08:28 AM

just found the KEY- looks pretty good

Uppndownn 05-23-2007 08:44 AM

The Secret
 
Greg Norman had a product out called "The Secret". Not perfect but not bad either.

comdpa 05-23-2007 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by grapegoat (Post 41911)
Are there any aids for the right wrist. I have pieced together parts from a hanger to make something i can tape to my wrist that keeps it level. I have also made another piece to keep from adding more bend to it that i start with at impact fix. I have been pondering ideas of how to make something that can be helpful and the only thing i can come up with is plaster and make a half cast that can be affixed to the hand. If anyone has any ideas let them be known or if there is something already on the market that would be great also.

I have been dealing with an underplane move after basic motion and from there it is just crazy. With the hangers fixed to the hand the plane is drastically different and loads better. The bending motion of the right wrist is the blame for this as i over-bend it and get the club way underplane.


Mark Evershed's Power Click

EdZ 05-23-2007 06:47 PM

If you should happen to have 2 SwingGlydes, you can use them to check both the left and right flying wedges at the same time. Otherwise, it works equally well at checking the left or right wedge.

alex_chung 05-24-2007 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EdZ (Post 41932)
If you should happen to have 2 SwingGlydes, you can use them to check both the left and right flying wedges at the same time. Otherwise, it works equally well at checking the left or right wedge.

Do you have any pics of this? I remember reading a thread somewhere ages ago that showed how someone managed to hook up the swinggyde to check the FLW alignment.
Alex

grapegoat 05-24-2007 08:15 AM

I have not been able to find a swing glyde online anywhere and i am not understanding the power click at all. I do like Normans secret but i may try to modify it and add a piece of metal that keeps the wrist level. Any ideas

asleep 05-24-2007 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by grapegoat (Post 41950)
I have not been able to find a swing glyde online anywhere and i am not understanding the power click at all. I do like Normans secret but i may try to modify it and add a piece of metal that keeps the wrist level. Any ideas

Key

Secret

Swingyde

grapegoat 05-24-2007 06:50 PM

guys i have been pondering the aids available and just have not found anything that keeps the right wrist level. I am going to try and design something that would keep the wrist level thus making the right arm and elbow work properly in the swing. I bet there are others in the game that could benefit from this also. If there were a device that would ensure the right wrist stays level and then the fanning and right elbow can be used by someone that cannot get the feeling or the people like me that cannot break bad habits without positive reinforcement through an aid that ensures you do not cock the right wrist.

6bmike 05-24-2007 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by grapegoat (Post 41958)
guys i have been pondering the aids available and just have not found anything that keeps the right wrist level. I am going to try and design something that would keep the wrist level thus making the right arm and elbow work properly in the swing. I bet there are others in the game that could benefit from this also. If there were a device that would ensure the right wrist stays level and then the fanning and right elbow can be used by someone that cannot get the feeling or the people like me that cannot break bad habits without positive reinforcement through an aid that ensures you do not cock the right wrist.

Honestly do the dowels. Check the gallery for the videos. Not only is it the best way to keep a Level Right Wrist but connect 7-3 with the Flying wedges and experience the 2-J’s into Impact. Dowels Rock. Check out what Yoda says about them.

nuke99 05-24-2007 09:03 PM

are you absolutely sure that your wrists are level? and your arms are hanging correctly?

its difficult to maintain an Un-cocked right wrist but really brainless to maintain a level right wrist

Bagger Lance 05-24-2007 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nuke99 (Post 41960)
its difficult to maintain an Un-cocked right wrist but really brainless to maintain a level right wrist

Nuke -

I could be half-cocked or a bit brainless myself...but I think the grape goat is referring to his right wrist position as it nears the top/end of the backstroke. Maybe some clarification from Grapegoat would help.
Double cocked.

The Key does a good job of keeping the right wrist from cocking. It has a strap goes across the base of the fingers that secures the top portion. The internal metal piece is bendable and has a slight curve around the base of the index finger. You have to really force a right wrist cock.

You can also use it on the left hand by bending the metal flat. Keeps the left wrist flat.
It's not ideal, but gets the job done.

nuke99 05-24-2007 11:15 PM

Uncle Bagger,

I am saying this because... Level if not explained properly , some people will do un-cocked. (Wrist and thumb -level )..... then there is no way but to struggle , start hitting high slices or something. Sorry Grape and Uncle Bagger, that it didn't come out well.

Just in case. level is trying to extend the first knuckle ( belonging to forefinger) as far away from the wrist joint( thumb side). thus forming a Wedge between the thumb and wrist ..

And if the right wrist is level in the first place and the arms are hanging nicely below the shoulder at setup. (some people have their arms in front of the shoulder and also makes the job slightly tougher). there is less reason to struggle to fight the right wrist from cocking... Its then the job of the right elbow /forearms job to cock the left wrist and load the PP... Thus it becomes easier... ( not brainless , ok ba.. brainless of me to use that word :p)

cheers

grapegoat 05-24-2007 11:21 PM

thanks for the input guys. From what i understand the club should get to the top by the bending of the right elbow for a right handed player. The problem i have is when i get the club hip high i tend to cock and bend the club from that position and end up getting the club below plane and behind me.
an ideal solution to the problem in my opinion is to do what Rob says and freeze the right wrist. So by setting up in impact fix position and basically locking the wrist in that very position then the club will fan through startup, and then the right elbow can bend and bring the club up plane and not destroy the geometry that was set at address. I did not notice that part of the Key so ill look into that. My idea was to make a piece of metal that is set to the bend in my right wrist at impact fix. Then take another piece of metal and place it across the top of the right wrist therefore basically locking it into position. I would love to have no cock in the right wrist and use the elbow to cock the left wrist, or that is what i interpreted the information i have recieved. If i am wrong about this please correct me. The extensor action is very key to make the wrist stay level in my opinion. I have just had problems getting the best feel from dowels in this case. If i hit pitches from this position and the right wrist stays in the same position then the alignments stay intact and the club goes up plane very well. I really appreciate the input i have recieved and best of wishes to all in their journey through the game

grapegoat 05-24-2007 11:26 PM

Nuke, from the explanations i have recieved of level. If the thumb and top of wrist are in line then the wrist is level and if the thumb is not in line then it would be cocked or fully uncocked. I dont recall anything about the right wrist being fully uncocked only on the left on the way to low point. I could be wrong on this so please dont quote me on that one. I just do not use the right elbow correctly and this is a way for me to feel when its done correctly and incorrectly

Bagger Lance 05-24-2007 11:35 PM

I think you are on to it Grapegoat.

6B had some good advice with the dowels. When you start tracing a straight plane line in the backstroke, you will stay on plane which prevents the right wrist from bending too much in the backstroke.

As you said, extensor action is very helpful.

Lasers and maglights are also handy.

grapegoat 05-24-2007 11:41 PM

agreed Bagger, i am in the process of getting a couple big mirrors mounted to the wall, similar to a gym style setup both meeting in a corner and about 6ft tall. With this in place the look look look will be much easier. Is there something cheaper than having it cut.

nuke99 05-24-2007 11:54 PM

Grape.. JUSST in case ok...

left and right wrist the same... but look at those dots. and lines

Level http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9...06smallpa1.jpg (feel that the knuckle dot extend furthest away from the wrist dot ..they are inline with that wrist.. )

cocked http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6...09smallbk0.jpg

Uncocked ( not totally but i did it very more subtle and this is how it could be easily misunderstood, now this gets tough)... http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1...08smallxj6.jpg

6bmike 05-25-2007 12:12 AM

Level is as Level does
 
I know you know must of this but here goes:

Try a Plane Board- if the Dowels feel uncomfortable maybe you need a Plane Board to establish a better feel. I think you should examine your address and grip and what Level looks like. The take-away on this incline plane goes up, back and in- simultaneously. UPBACKIN is one motion away from the ball. When the right forearm is set at address and when the right forearm lifts the club along the incline plane. The right wrist has little to do. A FROZEN right wrist means that it only moves in its horizontal plane. It is frozen (forbidden) to move vertically- cocked..

BUT…. I don’t think many have, at first, a pure 100 percent Level right wrist. It gets closer to perfect with experience as you Educated those Flying Wedges. AND… I bet your Right Wrist is more Level than you think. When BOTH wrists are cocked, each cup outward. And… the Left wrist cocking is short- the right wrist really can’t move out of line as easy as one may think

I think what is important is the right side of the Flying Wedges- the Pressure Points, the Magic Right Forearm in line with the shaft along the incline plane. This will Educated the Right Hand to be Level.

If you Hit, drive that right half wedge Down through the ball. A Hitter will maintain a specific Flying Wedge assembly longer throughout the stroke. All power accumulators dump onto the ball at once. Ouch!
If you Swing, pull the shaft strongly and throw everything inline releasing acc2 & 3. After impact, your right wrist will look flat. The top view looks flatter than the bottom view- which is still bent. A Swinger’s Flying Wedge is still frozen from its forbidden direction, both looser in its own plane.

Extensor Action- A- Always, B- Be E- Extensor Actioning. An Extensor Action take-away, a tug on the Left Hand to flatten it, with a correct set up and grip will keep the Right Wrist Level. EA does not much the Left Arm along the incline plane- it adds vital structure to the arms.

Folding right elbow- the key to the machine. Inert or active, it is beautiful to watch. EA keeps it together.

SECGolf 06-14-2007 01:19 PM

This might be a bit vague but I hope you can see what I'm getting at (the same thing could apply for plane line lasers):

The power click and the tac-tic are great for telling you when you have NOT maintained a bent right wrist.

But use them over and over in the hopes that your right wrist will eventually stay bent for all shots? NO WAY!! This is or at at least is very close to a an attempt at aquiring muscle memory. You'll never aquire something that does not exist.

(the following and above are not my original thoughts; I first heard the reasoning from the very person who sells the power click - so that should tell you something)

Instead of blind motion over and over, substitute understanding, or perhaps understanding with the feed back devices. Understand that the right wrist in no way wants to flatten when club head lag pressure is established, produced and maintained. In the same way with lasers, when you have clubhead lag pressure understanding and application, as well as knowledge of where you want to trace, the club just is not going to veer too much off plane. So, it is pretty dang important, in my opinion, at some point, to leave outside feedback devices behind, and focus on the internal feedback device of feeling ch lag pressure with PP #3.

BEEN THERE DONE THAT. STILL TRYING TO DO WHAT I WRITE. BUT WITH UNDERSTANDING, I AM EXPERIENCING A CONSTANT RATE OF IMPROVEMENT.


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