just another guy "in the business"
 

I've known this guy for a long time. He had been in the golf business for years, but recently changed jobs. He decided that he was tired of his golf swing and needed to take a few lessons. He said that he had never been able to change the Zorro move at the top. But, we went to some extremes to get a change. He was elated that Zorro was dead.

It Is What It Is...Or Was Not
 

Great stuff, Ted.

:salut:

Are you sure these 'After' photos weren't posed?

:)

no fakes
 

He actually hit the ball. He didn't think he could hit it from the new "awkward" position.

how did you manage in a short time to change his swing to an onplane phenom? Would you mind sharing what you mean by extremes? very cool, thanks

no roll in the backstroke
 

He had Turning in the Backstroke, but he started Rolling between Top and End. I have no idea how he acquired this motion, nor did he.

We used some simple thoughts: 1. with flashlights on both ends of the club, attempting to point the grip end outside the Plane Line, 2. trying to point the club directly behind him (feeling perpendicular to the Plane) instead of parallel to the Plane Line at End

Since he had obviously never tried to accomplish #2, he understood why he never would have made the change. It was this feeling that we captured on video.

He hated the feel. But, when he saw the results, he was totally willing to practice this way until we meet again. I believe that it's the willingness to go to the extremes that gets immediate change.

[quote=YodasLuke;46389] But, when he saw the results, he was totally willing to practice this way until we meet again.QUOTE]

YL,

Are you talking about ballflight results here

compared to

the results as seen through "the one eyed monster"

[quote=YodasLuke;46389], 2. trying to point the club directly behind him (feeling perpendicular to the Plane) instead of parallel to the Plane Line at End
QUOTE]


thank you for you answer, i was attracted to this thread by his initial motion, that ressembles myself in a way, but the downstroke is different.

I've done the flashlights and planeboard many a time, but the extreme feel difference just is not there. So i go back to my regular scheduled program...lol.

now your description of perpendicular the the plane is interesting to my noodle this mo. I'm not sure i understand correctly the trying to point the club directly behind him part, do you mean at startup? at end?

thanks for getting the wheels turning!

visual
 

[quote=Amen Corner;46397]Mainly the visual results...

He hit some very well, but he missed just as many. That's the hard thing about practicing something so new and so different. He made some great swings and at times he almost missed the ball completely. His downstroke had previously been built around compensation, so he had to learn the new path to the ball.

at End
 

[quote=powerdraw;46401]If someone was standing directly behind your back at Address (looking at the back of your head, not down the line), it would be the feeling of pointing the clubhead at them at End. That's what got the change.

i see, thanks!

[quote=YodasLuke;46403]Another less extreme way to do this is to attempt to keep the butt of the club pointing at the plane line...at the top and even at the end.
Whatever works is what is important.

plane question
 

the blue line that you have drawn, is that the turned shoulder plane?

Is the goal to get the shaft, hands, right forearm, and right shoulder all on the the turned shoulder plane at impact?

Yes, that is correct. And the #3 pressure point, the proximal phalanx of the right index finger.
Note the right forearm is a little under the line. Seems to me he's a bit too squared away for impact.