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edming05 12-22-2007 01:01 PM

Ok to study 6th edition?
 
I'm getting the 6th edition of TGM for Christmas because of a mistake by the gift giver. Just wondering, as far as learning the basics Yoda outlined in the steps to learning TGM, will the 6th edition work just as well as the 7th? Thanks.

neil 12-22-2007 02:04 PM

I don't have the 7th.
My opinion is the 6th will do the job with the help of this forum.

efnef 12-22-2007 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edming05 (Post 47182)
I'm getting the 6th edition of TGM for Christmas because of a mistake by the gift giver. Just wondering, as far as learning the basics Yoda outlined in the steps to learning TGM, will the 6th edition work just as well as the 7th? Thanks.

King James is just as good as the Revised Standard.

12 piece bucket 12-22-2007 03:17 PM

To qualify as a supabooknerd . . . you should study all of the editions . . . there's some really great stuff in the 1st 3 and their easier to read.

Sligo33 12-24-2007 10:42 AM

The sixth edition was invaluable in preparing for and getting my G.S.E.B., in Feb. 2007. The test and study materials are mainly based on editions prior to the 7th edition. Due mainly to Mr. Kelley's sudden passing. My guess is that he updated the material for the book, before he was able to update test and study questions.

The main difference, in my observation, between the 6th and 7th edition was that some material had been moved from one section to another, and the wording of some passages was changed in an attempt to clarify the topic.

The overall concepts of The Golfing Machine are very much intact. In fact, my 6th edition is still vry much in use today.

12 piece bucket 12-27-2007 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sligo33 (Post 47248)
The sixth edition was invaluable in preparing for and getting my G.S.E.B., in Feb. 2007. The test and study materials are mainly based on editions prior to the 7th edition. Due mainly to Mr. Kelley's sudden passing. My guess is that he updated the material for the book, before he was able to update test and study questions.

The main difference, in my observation, between the 6th and 7th edition was that some material had been moved from one section to another, and the wording of some passages was changed in an attempt to clarify the topic.

The overall concepts of The Golfing Machine are very much intact. In fact, my 6th edition is still vry much in use today.


To me (other than the big debate on the shoulder turn component) the big changes in the 7th are in the Flail Section in chapter 2 and the endless belt additions in chapter 6 in the aiming point part (not sure where aiming point is exactly but it's 6-E-sumpin'). Mr. Kelley has some invaluable stuff on Endless Belt in those to sections. MUST READ STUFF.

Yoda 12-27-2007 11:02 PM

Say It Ain't So, Joe!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 47329)

To me (other than the big debate on the shoulder turn component) the big changes in the 7th are in the Flail Section in chapter 2 and the endless belt additions in chapter 6 . . .

Moving Component #10 (Hinge Action) from Zone 3 (Ball Control / Hands / Direction) to Zone 2 (Club Control / Arms / Power) also was a 'biggie'. Especially given several conflicting text and title references elsewhere that were not edited for compliance.

12 piece bucket 12-27-2007 11:10 PM

Odd Job . . .
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 47340)
Moving Component #10 (Hinge Action) from Zone 3 (Ball Control / Hands / Direction) to Zone 2 (Club Control / Arms / Power) also was a 'biggie'. Especially given several conflicting text and title references elsewhere that were not edited for compliance.


Right on! Forgot about that one . . .

There are certainly some things that I'm sure would have been further hashed out if Mr. K had been here to write his own book . . .

There's some really good stuff in the 7th . . . I love the 7th, 5th and 3rd . . . kind of an odd numbers type thing . . . imagine that huh?

phillygolf 12-28-2007 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edming05 (Post 47182)
I'm getting the 6th edition of TGM for Christmas because of a mistake by the gift giver. Just wondering, as far as learning the basics Yoda outlined in the steps to learning TGM, will the 6th edition work just as well as the 7th? Thanks.

Yes.

Yoda did not learn from the 7th. Or 6th. I believe it was the 5th.

So...yes....it will suffice.

Yoda 01-05-2008 09:24 PM

The Beginning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phillygolf (Post 47345)

Yoda did not learn from the 7th. Or 6th. I believe it was the 5th.

Actually, my 'first' was the 4th. It was signed:
Lynn,

May you rise higher and higher in its boundless basics. Sustain the Lag.

Ben
'79
Over the years, the bookend editions of '1, 2 and 3' and '5, 6 and 7' completed my library. And added to the fun. True afficienados must have them all.

Read every written word.

Listen to every recorded word.

There is no substitute.

:salut:

Delaware Golf 01-06-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 47568)
Actually, my 'first' was the 4th. It was signed:
Lynn,

May you rise higher and higher in its boundless basics. Sustain the Lag.

Ben
'79
Over the years, the bookend editions of '1, 2 and 3' and '5, 6 and 7' completed my library. And added to the fun. True afficienados must have them all.

Read every written word.

Listen to every recorded word.

There is no substitute.

:salut:

Yes, it was the fourth (Tommy and Lynn talked to Homer initially by phone together)....at a later date, I have Tom Tomasello on audio tape talking to Homer about receiving/teaching from the new 5th edition (Tommy asked Homer what he should do with the remaining copies of the 4th). Good Stuff.

DG

drewitgolf 01-07-2008 09:56 AM

"Pleading the Fifth"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Delaware Golf (Post 47595)
I have Tom Tomasello on audio tape talking to Homer about receiving/teaching from the new 5th edition (Tommy asked Homer what he should do with the remaining copies of the 4th).

DG

(After telling Mr. Kelley he has half a case leftover; 12 books) Homer replied, "Just put them in your library and forget them. I will give you credit (for what you have left). There is no point in handing out these four's when the five's are available."

wojo1941 01-08-2008 11:02 PM

Them all
 
I have them all and have read but not always comprehended every word.
My first edition cover has all but disintegrated, but is stored in tupperware container for history.

I have learned more from LB site than reading the yellow book. Love the videos and the conversation with Mr. Kelly and Lynn. I am looking for the conversation from Mr. Kelly that describes his first meeting with Ben Doyle.

Have had a lesson with Ben Doyle and Tom Tomasello, but learning much here and at TGM forums, Orrgolf and Medicus.

Wojo

okie 01-09-2008 10:21 AM

Me and my 7th
 
I purchased a 7th Edition from Ben Doyle site. Mr. Doyle wrote the same inscription for me as he did for Yoda way back when. He also corrected some of the errors in book by hand!

My 7th came unglued...literally! I have to agree that without this site I probably would have ripped the book apart myself! I believe Mr. Kelley maintained that the only shortcut, or simpler road was working with an AI. I think Yoda satisfies that requirement! Cyberspace is not the same thing as an in person encounter, but it is still a tremendous help. So thank you to Yoda and others for their willingness to help. I believe that " a workman is worthy of his hire"...but it is also "...more blessed to GIVE than to recieve!" In that sense Yoda is abundantly blessed! His and other's generosity speaks volumes. It suggest a sincere desire to help. Compassion for the golfing public, after years of bull...bullspit!

My wife has "other editions of TGM" on the shortlist of potential presents! If you are going to be a golfing nut you may as well strive more maximum compression!

I gotta give a holla out to Bucket. Nobody asks more questions! Thereby removing the risk of embarrassment many of us feel when asking what we think may be a stooopid question (there is such a thing by the way!) Many people ask questions today that I will want to ask one month from now! So thanks for that! :salut:

kebeal 01-09-2008 07:37 PM

I don't mean to thread jack, but was the change in hinge actions location (from zone 3, to zone 2) intentional. I was under the impression it was a mistake, does anyone have a deffinite answer? Sorry for going off topic.

P.S. I think it is perfectly fine to study the 6th edition, in fact I had a hard time noticing any differences between the two, I had to look real hard.

phillygolf 01-09-2008 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kebeal (Post 47668)
I don't mean to thread jack, but was the change in hinge actions location (from zone 3, to zone 2) intentional. I was under the impression it was a mistake, does anyone have a deffinite answer? Sorry for going off topic.

P.S. I think it is perfectly fine to study the 6th edition, in fact I had a hard time noticing any differences between the two, I had to look real hard.


Hi kebeal,

Please forgive me, I do not have the 7th (but at one time had all editions)....

Is it in the 7th that it is moved the zone 2?

Thanks,
Patrick

kebeal 01-09-2008 08:36 PM

Yes, hinge action is listed in zone #2 in the 7th edition. There is a large thread on this site listing all the changes between the 6th and 7th, however after reading through it I was left with the impression the change was a mistake although I may have misunderstood. Anybody know for sure?

Yoda 01-09-2008 08:42 PM

Rear Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 47621)

(After telling Mr. Kelley he has half a case leftover; 12 books) Homer replied, "Just put them in your library and forget them. I will give you credit (for what you have left). There is no point in handing out these four's when the five's are available."


Thanks for this, Drew.

:salut:

For the record:

The quote is from the recorded phone call made by Tom and me to Homer Kelley 'way back when' (without searching, I'll say circa May 1981).

:)

phillygolf 02-04-2008 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kebeal (Post 47670)
Yes, hinge action is listed in zone #2 in the 7th edition. There is a large thread on this site listing all the changes between the 6th and 7th, however after reading through it I was left with the impression the change was a mistake although I may have misunderstood. Anybody know for sure?

Hmmm....

The hinges are mounted at the shoulder. So........(you conclusion here)_______.


Side note. My fav edition is.......

3rd.

Hands down.

Patrick

Delaware Golf 02-05-2008 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillygolf (Post 48775)
Hmmm....

The hinges are mounted at the shoulder. So........(you conclusion here)_______.


Side note. My fav edition is.......

3rd.

Hands down.

Patrick


Yes, the edition with 4 barrel swinging (maximum participation). Nice!!!

DG

Mathew 02-22-2008 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edming05 (Post 47182)
I'm getting the 6th edition of TGM for Christmas because of a mistake by the gift giver. Just wondering, as far as learning the basics Yoda outlined in the steps to learning TGM, will the 6th edition work just as well as the 7th? Thanks.

Studying the 6th Edition is fine. Everything you need to know about Homer Kelleys message and understanding is there.

wojo1941 02-22-2009 12:08 AM

Third Edition
 
I have a 5th, 6th and 7th... but my favorite is the 3rd edition.

I have read the third edition so many times the original cloth cover has disintegrated, the rest of text in this 3rd edition is tightly bound and intact except the last page 149 that's missing. The 149 last page is the some table of contents. If anybody has a third edition and would be willing to copy the last page for me I would greatly appreciated it, and be glad to pay for it.

Thanks my email is

jwoodgolf@sbcglobal.net

I will contact you with my mailing address if you email me.

Joe

Delaware Golf 02-27-2009 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wojo1941 (Post 61461)
I have a 5th, 6th and 7th... but my favorite is the 3rd edition.

I have read the third edition so many times the original cloth cover has disintegrated, the rest of text in this 3rd edition is tightly bound and intact except the last page 149 that's missing. The 149 last page is the some table of contents. If anybody has a third edition and would be willing to copy the last page for me I would greatly appreciated it, and be glad to pay for it.

Thanks my email is

jwoodgolf@sbcglobal.net

I will contact you with my mailing address if you email me.

Joe

Joe,

Why is the 3rd edition your favorite edition?

DG


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