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YodasLuke 12-14-2009 06:22 PM

It's just Plane important
 
All ya'll (plural for ya'll) had so much fun with the Basic Motion thread, I thought I'd throw a little Plane work into the mix. This is a different student on the next day. I know the one that I'd have on my team.

Because the light was bad, I marked the location of the clubhead in the last photo.

For someone that constantly hit drop-kicked fat shots, he was happy that he was no longer under Plane.






GPStyles 12-14-2009 06:26 PM

Ted,if its possible to tell it in a nutshell, what did you tell him to feel or do differently?

I can see that he is still on plane in the final image on the right compared to the left. A lot of TGM teaching seems to emphasise the down and out motion and neglects the up and in part. Is this what you were trying to tell him?

Daryl 12-14-2009 07:22 PM

That's great work Ted. How long do ya think before he gets it ground in? Or is it already ground in for him?

RFT change works. How much more did you change?

YodasLuke 12-14-2009 08:22 PM

practice makes permanent
 
He's at our range every day. I think he hit almost 30,000 balls last year. He's on one of our range plans. So, they keep up with the numbers. He's been the best customer for two years in a row.

He was asking me a question in the golf shop about Cocking his wrist(s) early. I showed him how the Left Wrist can Cock via Right Elbow bend. I told him the Right Wrist could remain frozen, and he immediately wanted a lesson.

At 300fps you can really see the magnitude of the changes. Stills tell the story, but not as well as the video.

I held my Right Hand on the club when he was in Start Up. I allowed his Right Elbow to bend without Cocking or Bending the Right Wrist. I also eliminated most of the Turning. He obviously thought the club was moving outside the Plane. I told him it was outside his Plane, but it wasn't outside "the" Plane. He said, "Ooooh. Do that again." I asked him to do some very slow rehearsals and to remain uncomfortable. Comfort was going to get us nowhere. He committed to the terrible feel and hit a few balls. The changes looked great, and I quickly grabbed the camera for a second round of video. I wanted him to see the differences so he could relate the bad feel to the good reality.

He was giddy. He sent me an email on his business flight to San Diego. He was so excited that he could make it look like a real golfer that he wanted to practice even more (if that was possible). RFT can re-invent his Plane.

Daryl 12-14-2009 08:49 PM

Well, he'll start playing more, now that you've taken 20 strokes off his game.

YodasLuke 12-14-2009 09:22 PM

lines instead of circles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GPStyles (Post 69788)
A lot of TGM teaching seems to emphasise the down and out motion and neglects the up and in part. Is this what you were trying to tell him?

1-L-13,14,&15, 2-J-3, and 5-0 are brilliant. There should be emphasis on these things, but all of it should be kept in context. It shouldn't be exaggerated into a flaw. I think in anything, one can put the em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-ble.

The Follow Through was a downstream result. We worked only on the Start Up and Backstroke. "As it goes up, so it tends to come down."

I witnessed one of the self-proclaimed TGM prophets, after his daily walk on water, teaching the "up and in" part, and I was underwhelmed. The student ended up looking like a compass drawing a circle on a piece of paper. The sharp circle of balls that he laid on the ground looked like it would have required a very short radius on a very flat plane. :eyes:

KevCarter 12-15-2009 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69798)
1-L-13,14,&15, 2-J-3, and 5-0 are brilliant. There should be emphasis on these things, but all of it should be kept in context. It shouldn't be exaggerated into a flaw. I think in anything, one can put the em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-ble.

The Follow Through was a downstream result. We worked only on the Start Up and Backstroke. "As it goes up, so it tends to come down."

I witnessed one of the self-proclaimed TGM prophets, after his daily walk on water, teaching the "up and in" part, and I was underwhelmed. The student ended up looking like a compass drawing a circle on a piece of paper. The sharp circle of balls that he laid on the ground looked like it would have required a very short radius on a very flat plane. :eyes:

That was worth the price of admission for today's lesson. Great stuff Ted!

I am really enjoying the transformations all ya'll are posting, as well as the lessons in southern english... :) :salut:

Kevin

YodasLuke 12-15-2009 10:48 AM

a teacher's vernacular
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 69806)
That was worth the price of admission for today's lesson. Great stuff Ted!

I am really enjoying the transformations all ya'll are posting, as well as the lessons in southern english... :) :salut:

Kevin

A good teacher should be able to change his vernacular, so the student is able to understand.

I could be from Min-eh-soooo-tah, don't ya know.

KevCarter 12-15-2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69813)
A good teacher should be able to change his vernacular, so the student is able to understand.

I could be from Min-eh-soooo-tah, don't ya know.

yeah sure, you betcha. :occasion:

Kevin

O.B.Left 12-15-2009 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69798)
I witnessed one of the self-proclaimed TGM prophets, after his daily walk on water, teaching the "up and in" part, and I was underwhelmed. The student ended up looking like a compass drawing a circle on a piece of paper. The sharp circle of balls that he laid on the ground looked like it would have required a very short radius on a very flat plane. :eyes:


Thanks for all this great stuff Ted.

The fella you mentioned, Im trying to figure him out. I had a similar lesson once that confounded me until I met you guys. Was he teaching a covering of the Arc of Approach but with an Arc that was too tight and not a visual equivalent? Its comforting to know that some A.I.'s dont fully understand 2-J-3 cause I sure struggle with it.

gmbtempe 12-15-2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 69818)
Thanks for all this great stuff Ted.

The fella you mentioned, Im trying to figure him out. I had a similar lesson once that confounded me until I met you guys. Was he teaching a covering of the Arc of Approach but with an Arc that was too tight and not a visual equivalent? Its comforting to know that some A.I.'s dont fully understand 2-J-3 cause I sure struggle with it.

I don't understand the arc of approach procedure at all for the visual equivalent. I have searched and read threads, its just not getting through to me, I think I need to have someone show me to grasp it. I am slower than most I guess. :confused1

YodasLuke 12-15-2009 01:07 PM

"TGM" instruction: a major disappointment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 69818)
Thanks for all this great stuff Ted.

The fella you mentioned, Im trying to figure him out. I had a similar lesson once that confounded me until I met you guys. Was he teaching a covering of the Arc of Approach but with an Arc that was too tight and not a visual equivalent? Its comforting to know that some A.I.'s dont fully understand 2-J-3 cause I sure struggle with it.

Yes, he was. I thought it looked ridiculous. But, I was only a G.S.E.B. and he was a G.S.E.D. I thought that he knew what he was doing, which was a bad assumption on my part.

I was terribly disappointed that 2-J-3 was misunderstood at the highest levels of TGM. I was given falsehoods as truth. It's one of the many reasons that I am no longer an "Authorized" Golfing Machine Instructor.

Thank God for Lynn.

KevCarter 12-15-2009 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69828)
Yes, he was. I thought it looked ridiculous. But, I was only a G.S.E.B. and he was a G.S.E.D. I thought that he knew what he was doing, which was a bad assumption on my part.

I was terribly disappointed that 2-J-3 was misunderstood at the highest levels of TGM. I was given falsehoods as truth. It's one of the many reasons that I am no longer an "Authorized" Golfing Machine Instructor.

Thank God for Lynn.

Its sad to see some GSEDs trying to kill the basic tenants of Mr. Kelley's work for the sole reason of making themselves look like pioneers. False prophets? :naughty:

LBG Certified / Master must feel great to have by your name, that still means something! :salut:

Kevin

YodasLuke 12-15-2009 02:30 PM

"pioneers"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 69829)
Its sad to see some GSEDs trying to kill the basic tenants of Mr. Kelley's work for the sole reason of making themselves look like pioneers. False prophets? :naughty:

LBG Certified / Master must feel great to have by your name, that still means something! :salut:

Kevin

If they keep telling themselves that they are the best in the world or that they are the only ones that can teach TGM, maybe it will come true.

I'd rather my epitaph say, "He loved helping people succeed", instead of "Egomaniac with an inferiority complex."

O.B.Left 12-15-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69828)
Yes, he was. I thought it looked ridiculous. But, I was only a G.S.E.B. and he was a G.S.E.D. I thought that he knew what he was doing, which was a bad assumption on my part.

I was terribly disappointed that 2-J-3 was misunderstood at the highest levels of TGM. I was given falsehoods as truth. It's one of the many reasons that I am no longer an "Authorized" Golfing Machine Instructor.

Thank God for Lynn.



Yes TGFL. And that fella screwed up the Arc which is the easy one too!

Ted some day when you have a year or so, you'll have to help us all out with the Angle Of Approach. Although I guess you dont need to understand its geometry if you just cover it and forget about it. No rush, put it on your to do list for when your kids are in university.

YodasLuke 12-15-2009 03:04 PM

Angle of Approach video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 69832)
Yes TGFL. And that fella screwed up the Arc which is the easy one too!

Ted some day when you have a year or so, you'll have to help us all out with the Angle Of Approach. Although I guess you dont need to understand its geometry if you just cover it and forget about it. No rush, put it on your to do list for when your kids are in university.

I'd love to do the video. It's easy to explain. I'll ask Lynn about it.

KevCarter 12-15-2009 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69834)
I'd love to do the video. It's easy to explain. I'll ask Lynn about it.

I'll be standing in line right behind OB to pay if you choose to do it as a premium video! You guys don't need to be doing all this stuff for us free!

Kevin

KevCarter 12-15-2009 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 69829)
Its sad to see some GSEDs trying to kill the basic tenants of Mr. Kelley's work for the sole reason of making themselves look like pioneers. False prophets? :naughty:

LBG Certified / Master must feel great to have by your name, that still means something! :salut:

Kevin

I'm feeling a little badly about this post. There are also GREAT GSEDs like our friend Paul Hart, and many wonderful GSEBs and GSEMs as well. I didn't mean to put them down as a group, and I feel I did. My apologies to all!

Kevin

YodasLuke 12-15-2009 03:25 PM

I totally agree
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 69836)
I'm feeling a little badly about this post. There are also GREAT GSEDs like our friend Paul Hart, and many wonderful GSEBs and GSEMs as well. I didn't mean to put them down as a group, and I feel I did. My apologies to all!

Kevin

There are many greats. And, I agree with you about Paul Hart. He's amazing. I would add Mark Blackburn, VJ Trolio, David Orr, Rob Noel, James Leitz, etc.

KevCarter 12-15-2009 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69837)
There are many greats. And, I agree with you about Paul Hart. He's amazing. I would add Mark Blackburn, VJ Trolio, David Orr, Rob Noel, James Leitz, etc.

Yes, yes, yes, I have a ton of respect for all those guys and more... I'm an idiot, need to think before typing... :crybaby:

Kevin

drewitgolf 12-15-2009 04:07 PM

Paying Your Dues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69828)
It's one of the many reasons that I am no longer an "Authorized" Golfing Machine Instructor.

As an A.I. I am sad to hear this. You worked so hard to become authorized :( .

O.B.Left 12-15-2009 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 69834)
I'd love to do the video. It's easy to explain. I'll ask Lynn about it.



If its getting too cold for guys to give lessons these days, that be a great addition to the library, Luke. Great

Thanks for that offer
Ob



PS I bet Drew Chapman is one heck of an A.I.

This is going to be a cold winter guys so why not warm it up with some new movies. Homespun is fine, no editing is fine, no need to comb your hair even. Didnt Homer say something like "lets just get the information out there".

YodasLuke 12-15-2009 05:10 PM

good bet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 69847)
PS I bet Drew Chapman is one heck of an A.I.

He is. I've seen him in action.

drewitgolf 12-15-2009 08:43 PM

Looking for seconds
 
Thanks Ted and James "Oscar Baker" for your kind words. Life is a bit hectic right now. I will try to post more often after the holiday when time permits.

O.B.Left 12-15-2009 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 69879)
Thanks Ted and James "Oscar Baker" for your kind words. Life is a bit hectic right now. I will try to post more often after the holiday when time permits.

Dude your ruining my rep as "Oscar Bravo" Left. And get someone to show what the PLAY button looks like on a video camera. You'd be great in movies.


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