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As a newcomer to TGM I am trying to get a handle on the basics. I am practicing impact position using a flat left and bent right wrist while the shaft plane is in line with my left forearm ad on plane with my right forearm.
1st, am I using proper technique?

2nd, when in this position my shaft plane seems more vertical than usual.
The butt of the club is pointing more toward my navel than in the past.
With my old grip and stance the butt pointed about to my zipper. Am I
doing it right?

Steve

I misinterpreted the left arm shaft relationship

I think I see my problem. I was trying to have the shaft on a line running up my left arm. When I set up with the shaft on a plane vertical to my left arm it lowers the butt of the club. If this is not the proper terminology, please excuse me.

Steve

Re: Shaft Plane angle

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Originally Posted by rwh

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Originally Posted by LSH

First, a little Terminolgy review so we're discussing the same thing:

The "Plane Angle" is the angle of the Inclined Plane on which we are swinging the club. The "Shaft Plane" is the angle of inclination of the clubshaft when the club is soled [so, it is possible that the Shaft Plane at Address and the Plane Angle could be the same, although this is not mandatory].

As to Question #1: Yes, you appear to have it correct -- the Right Forearm is On-Plane [on the Plane Angle] and your Left Arm, Left Wrist and Clubshaft are in a straight line.

As to Question #2: This question depends on where you set your Hands. The Shaft Plane running through the Belt Buckle is a guideline for the Classic Address [i.e., Mid-Body Hands]. The Higher your Hands (Less Accumulator #3 -- Julie Inkster, Nancy Lopez), the more the shaft will point up toward your belly button and the Lower your hands (More Accumulator #3 -- Fuzzy Zoeller), the more the shaft will point in the zipper area.

Various terminology is used in several sections of the book to describe "Planes" including 2F, 6-B-3-0-1, 7-6 , 7-7, 7-13 and 10-13. For an individual student who desires not to make a plane shift, would you comment on any differences in the following "Planes" in terms of their location or angle of inclination relative to the Plane Line.

-Plane of motion
-Right wrist bend plane
-Clubshaft address angle of inclination plane
-Right shoulder turn plane
-Preselected downstroke clubshaft plane

Thanks.

DRW

Reinforcements Have Arrived (In The Nick Of Time!)

Solid posts, rwh and DOCW3. Thanks for contributing!

Re: Reinforcements Have Arrived (In The Nick Of Time!)

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Solid posts, rwh and DOCW3. Thanks for contributing!

Thank you for the acknowledgment. The opportunity to participate is appreciated as is the opportunity to listen and learn. If I am an example, without teachers, even with a commitment to intense study of the book, one will be left short of reaching their potential for playing and enjoying this great game.

Your response to the question in my post, if it remains unanswered, would be welcomed. Also, discussions on other forums and requests for visuals to clarify the various "planes" have included an expressed desire to have a sequence available of your motion. I would like to pass that request on for your consideration.

DRW

Re: Shaft Plane angle

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Originally Posted by rwh

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Originally Posted by DOCW3

DRW

The Plane of motion is the inclined plane on which all motion occurs. Although the plane may shift a number of times during the swing, you desire to have Zero Shift. Therefore, your club (and your Hands) will begin and remain on the Clubshaft angle of inclination at Address. It is both your predetermined backstroke plane and your Preselected downstroke clubshaft plane. This angle is not necessarily the manufacturer’s lie angle specification for the club. It is whatever angle you set the club at address.

The Golfing Machine classifies Plane Angles with reference to the body. There are only 5 listed in the book, one of which is the Turned Shoulder Plane. This refers to the position of the rear (trail) shoulder after your backstroke shoulder turn. Thus, for a Zero Shift pattern (10-7-A) on the Turned Shoulder Plane (10-2-B), you would set the clubshaft on the Turned Shoulder Plane angle and make your motion on that plane, only.

The Right Wrist Bend Plane mentioned in 6-B-3-0-1 (The Flying Wedges) refers to the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and the fact that the Right Forearm and Clubshaft are in the same horizontal plane, even though the Right Wrist is Bent – i.e., they occupy the plane of the Right Wrist Bend.

rwh~

Your descriptions are very helpful, eliminate my uncertainties and are appreciated. If the amount of time I have spent studying this area is any indicator, they should be beneficial to others as well.

One of the factors anchoring me to TGM is the possibility of avoiding the coordinated move necessary to accommodate a change in backstroke and downstroke shaft plane angles. Mr Kelley touches on this in 10-6-B in referring to the hazards of plane angle shifts and many of his photos have been encouraging. I do hope to learn more about some of his comments in 7-7 Plane Angle Variations.

DRW

to have zero shift on the turned shoulder plane is it necessary to have a flat shoulder turn?

nevermind said... "to have a zero shift on the Turned Shoulder Plane is it necessary to have a Flat Shoulder Turn?"

Good Question!! From studying 10-6-B, 10-13, and 7-13 it SEEMS that one could use other Shoulder Turns, and still Zero Plane Shift. Flat is usually what is recommended.

We will probably hear from Mr. Yoda on this one.

Is there a shoulder turn?

I may be getting confused by reading different posts and mixing the meanings. I thought I read somewhere that there isn't really a shoulder turn it was more the fact that you pull the front shoulder back by the extensor action of the trail hand and arm!

Steve[/b]

LSH:

You are correct, however, since the shoulders do move (turn) in the backswing and downswing, they must turn on an angle. As you may have noticed, no one really spoke of 'turning' the shoulders 80* or 90*, etc.

TGMers focus on the angle of which the shoulder is stretched (aka turned).

FL-John