Swinger's backswing question--- PLEASE HELP!
 

Hey guys! I'm a total TGM novice so forgive my ignorance, but I have a couple of questions I was hoping you could help me with.

-I'm a swinger, and have some backswing confusion. I start my backswing with a swivel (at least I try to) and then I COCK my right elbow up to complete my backswing.

Is this correct/o.k.?

Because I could do it another way, which would be to swivel, and then BRING THE WHOLE PACKAGE "UP" TO THE TOP- in other words, not "cock" my right arm at the elbow but rather move EVERYTHING- arms, hands, club, the whole shebang, as one unit, up and back until my left shoulder passes under my chin.

I hope I'm explaining this correctly- in one version, the cocking of my right elbow completes the backswing, in the other version, I move the entire package, without really cocking/bending the right elbow (at least not FEELING as if that's what I'm doing) underneath my chin.

It's two totally different feels.

Personally, I feel more comfortable with the "right-elbow-cocking-to-complete-my-backswing" version, but, to my novice TGM thinking, isn't concentrating on or feeling the right elbow cocking in the backswing a HITTER'S move? Is it o.k. for a swinger to have a backswing based on the right elbow cocking? Or am I mixing fundamentals? Please help!

I have tried bending the right elbow as a conscious move both with and without a swivel. I now am set on a right forearm pickup which accomplishes for me what you are attempting. If I think swivel, I tend to go too far inside on the backswing and the clubface opens too much. If you are taking it back closed and outside, a conscious swivel may be helpful, for my swing it is a deadly move. Proceed with the RFP, as described in the videos here or in the book, it may solve all your issues.

I will try to understand the RFP, but can you break it down for me? Does it involve (a swinger) COCKING the right elbow on the backswing, or not?

And did you get what I meant when I said that (to me) there's two totally different feels on the backswing- a "moving everything together under my chin" type feeling, or, a "cock my right elbow to bring the club up" feeling.

To me, they're totally different, and I'm wondering if the "cocking" style is o.k. for a swinger. I hope I'm explaining myself correctly- forgive me if I'm not. Again- I'm a TGM novice.

I assume you guys have already seen this, but it is on topic:

Straight from 7-3 (last paragraph) - "...in compliance with 6-B-3-0-1, Bending and Straightening the Right Elbow will RAISE AND LOWER the left arm and/or COCK AND UNCOCK THE LEFT WRIST without Bending, Flatening, or Cocking the Right Wrist. Practice this first at impact fix. So, Right Elbow Action either powers and/or controls all three elements or Three Dimensions Impact (2-C-0) per 1-L-9. All this you will come to know as THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM."

Refer to the Tom Tomasello correspondance video series to see this 'magic' in the hands of a master.

"Mid-way turn-around"
 

You rotate the shoulders with straight arms and the center-of-graivty of the club (or the "law") will do the rest (bend the right wrist while cocking the left and turn both forearms while folding the rear) for your upswing.

Same for the downswing, if you interrupt it half-way and sustain the "resistance" (or "lag", including pivot, accumulator and club) encounterred.

So, all you need to do for a golf swing is "mid-way turn-around", which is also the "intent" you really need to execute.

Other than that, it's way too much!!!!!!

A hitter uses an action. This is the folding of the right elbow which neatly cocks the left wrist at the same time.
A swinger uses a motion as an option. The right hand pulls the left arm to the top of the backstroke creating a momentum that neatly cocks the left wrist. This momentum is what folds the right arm. I still think it is an option for swingers (I may be wrong, I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night). Check out S. Appleby- he folds and bombs it.

I'm more lost than before.

"So, Right Elbow Action either powers and/or controls all three elements or Three Dimensions Impact (2-C-0) per 1-L-9. All this you will come to know as THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM."

HK is stating that the right arm does it all - is this true for the swinger?
The confusion begins with the discussion of the left arm, accum. #4, pulling with the left side, uncocking the left wrist, etc.

Does the right arm do it all? It sure is important since it is On Plane. The left arm isn't- it is above plane. There is a right shoulder gyro spinning of the left arm- accum4, Master Accumulator, the pivot accumulator - as the left side begins to pull. This is a no nonsense swift and immediate throw out.

It is the right half of the Flying Wedge that maintains the Magic of the Right Forearm to stay on plane during this explosive throw out. Yes, the right arm is genius.

If my address position is correct, an rfp with a passive body that responds to the motion of the right forearm places the club in the proper plane. I swing and find that conscious lifting with the elbow or turning with the body really gets the club off plane. I really focus on the right forearm for best results. I think the elbow bends due to the right forearm movement, others probably have a better explanation.