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bts 07-10-2008 04:47 AM

Knew it, but can't do it.
 
Why do people have trouble to accomplish what they know and try to do or avoid, especially on the golf course?:eyes:

For example, delay the release, "sustain the lag", keep the left wrist flat and right wrist bent through impact, steady head, complete follow through, swing "inside-out"....., a long list of dos and don'ts.

Thanks for the attentiion.

drewitgolf 07-10-2008 09:23 AM

Missing Links
 
Just because you understand something, does not guarantee you can execute it. Although understanding is the first step, the ability to remember, have the correct information and most importantly the ability to absorb and apply the first three are all part of the process. If the computer isn't properly programed the body (through feels) can not execute.

Yoda 07-10-2008 10:25 AM

Subconscious Golf
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bts (Post 54178)

Why do people have trouble to accomplish what they know and try to do or avoid, especially on the golf course?:eyes:

Most poor performers -- in any physical activity -- have not translated Conscious Mechanics into Subconscious Feels. And the few that have do not trust their work. Instead, they continue to allow the conscious mind to interfere with subconscious performance.

The next time you tie your shoelaces, deliberately think about what you are doing. Start by simply thinking -- before you make a move -- about the process in detail. Which lace do you pick up first? Which one crosses over which? How do you make the 'bunny ear'? Exactly what does each hand do? Think about the entire, entangling process. Then, think your way through each step as you perform it mechanically.

:(

Next, forget all that and just tie your shoes.

:thumleft:

Question: Were you as effective when your conscious mind controlled the task (deliberately and laboriously) as when your subconscious did the job (automatically and effortlessly)?

My guess is that you were not. Does that mean that you never had to think about each step along the way? Of course not. There is no substitute for the learning process. But, effective learning and effective performing are two different things.

Golf is the same way.

drewitgolf 07-10-2008 10:56 AM

Tickling the Ivory
 
I remember hearing a story (I believe from Lynn) about a concert pianist that didn’t practice for days before going to a recording session. When asked why he didn’t practice, he said the fingers have nothing to do with playing the piano.

Bagger Lance 07-10-2008 11:04 AM

Practice makes Perfect
 
Don't forget muscle "memory".
As another member posted recently, there is no such thing as muscle memory as muscles don't possess memory. It is the conditioning of the nervous system through repeated correct motions that builds and optimizes the nerve pathways to repeatable muscle actions.

So even though the concert pianist doesn't need to do physical practice in order to play on stage, its only because he has conditioned his arms, hands and fingers to respond to the notes and timing in his head...subconsciously.

As golfers, we need to practice doing the right movements over and over until the conditioning is automatic. Unfortuately, we can also program the wrong movements into our swing and overcoming those "engrained habits" with new habits takes a great deal of time and effort.

Yoda 07-10-2008 12:09 PM

Programming the Music Box
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 54182)

I remember hearing a story (I believe from Lynn) about a concert pianist that didn’t practice for days before going to a recording session. When asked why he didn’t practice, he said the fingers have nothing to do with playing the piano.


The pianist was the brilliant Canadian performer, Glenn Gould (1932-1982) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Gould. In response to a reporter's question regarding his penchant for studying the musical score in lieu of extended practice sessions (with a mechanical focus on scales and etudes), Maestro Gould replied:

"The fingers have little to do with playing the piano."

Obviously, this an exaggeration and presumes the normal conservatory training and day-to-day practice routine of the world class concert pianist. However, his point was well made: Once the physical element is under control, it is the computer (the subconscious) that must be programmed -- and allowed -- to perform.

:)

Burner 07-10-2008 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 54184)
The pianist was the brilliant Canadian performer, Glenn Gould (1932-1982) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Gould. In response to a reporter's question regarding his penchant for studying the musical score in lieu of extended practice sessions (with a mechanical focus on scales and etudes), he replied:

"The fingers have little to do with playing the piano."

Obviously, this an exaggeration and presumes the normal conservatory training and day-to-day practice routine of the world class concert pianist. However, his point was well made: Once the physical element is under control, it is the computer (the subconscious) that must be programmed -- and allowed -- to perform.

:)

Whilst reading this I was sure that I felt an ethereal breeze across the back of my neck and heard some ghostly whispering about "Educated Hands".:angel1:

Mathew 07-10-2008 08:58 PM

Some things don't happen because they are not programmed to happen but other things happen because they cannot happen... The golf stroke is really a structure and a set of physical laws and alignments that surround its optimal use. You can only control what you can control and you can only control what your ready to control. People can spend countless hours wasting time trying to program themselves to do things which are impossible for them.

Yoda 07-10-2008 09:46 PM

Doin' What Comes Naturally
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 54195)

People can spend countless hours wasting time trying to program themselves to do things which are impossible for them.

If you can walk and swing your arms back and forth, you can walk and swing your arms from side to side. And if you can do that, you can learn to swing a golf club.

:)

That doesn't mean you should send in your app to Q-School. It does mean that, if you go about it in a sensible way, you can develop an efficient, effective swing within the constraints of your own talent.

As a guide, follow these directions:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4435

:golfcart2:

KOC 07-10-2008 10:22 PM

I steal a story from one of the great teacher's book and change a lil' bit:

"When a professor first went to China, the traffic keeping to the right instead of to the left as it does in Hong Kong. Whenever he was going to step off the sidewalk I looked to the right instead of to the left as I should have done.

This got so dangerous that he had to take a dip into his brain-box to find a way of checking it. It wasn't any good just telling hmself to look left; He had done that and promptly looked right again! So, he decided that every time before stepping off a curb he would raise his left forearm and clench his fist. He reckoned it would draw his attention to the left as desired, and it did. In a few days he was cured"

BUT...the funny thing in China is that some cars will also come from the right :laughing9

Back to real golf, I think I can hit pure shots for most of the tee, but when the slope and special designs of the course are in play, it is so easy to miss a shot. I always want Yoda and LBG Pro to address "uneven lie" with TGM concepts.


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