Friend is swinging too far inside out
 

I'm meeting a good player at the range this evening to help him with his swing. This guy is swinging too far inside out accross the target line (he's under the plane line coming down). He can shoot 69 one day and 80 the next. He can block it, block fade it, or flip hook it. Starting the ball left of target and gently fading a shot back towards the target is definitely not an option for this player at this time.

I don't have the energy to drag my plane board out of the basement tonight, but I may have to do so.

Does anyone have any other drills, thoughts, or concepts that will help inside-out swingers get more on plane?

Are we meeting at the range this evening? You just described my swing and my misses perfectly!

For me, this is caused by a pull compensation that I'm getting rid of. This thread has some good info http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=674. I like Brian's message where he states "The club should enter the ball at 4 o'clock but EXIT at 8:00!". My swing was entering at 4 and leaving at 10, and when I make it exit at 8 it forces me to get my plane up where it should be.

I'm very interested in other's responses.

Re: Friend is swinging too far inside out
 

You need to be sure he is really bending his planeline and swinging inside out or if he is simply swinging on a flatter plane angle. Big difference that needs to be checked. His problems could be an issue of clubface control and not plane.

It is most definitely plane angle
 

This is definitely a "clubshaft" control issue. Video from "down the line" shows his clubhead approaching impact from under the address shaft angle, or as I prefer to call it, "shaft angle plane".

The clubshaft is not pointing at the plane line / target line, but well beyond.

Thanks for the reply.

Thanks for the help. That was a good post. I will try the 4:00 and 8:00 concept with him. That may help.

Re: Friend is swinging too far inside out
 

Other than video what's the easiest way to verify this? As I mentioned, I'm working on this very issue and have diagnosed it as a plane problem. The only way I know to check this without video or a plane board is to do some mirror work and some slow motion swings to see what's going on.

Thanks.

Plane lasers or flashlights to trace a straight plane line

One light goes on the butt end of the club and the other points down the clubshaft right at the sweetspot.

Now trace a straight plane line and have the lights point at your plane line unless the shaft is parallel to the plane line.

:oops: doh! I did actually know about that...it was burried with a bunch of other TGM stuff. I guess that's sort of what I was doing with the mirror work, but I'll definately get out the flashlights to practice and verify. Thanks for the reminder

Re: Friend is swinging too far inside out
 

First, you need to work with a laser, flashlight, or planeboard. I recommend a planeboard because you can adjust the plane angle. Once you learn what it means to point at a straight plane line, you can transfer the feel to your right forarm and you will just 'know' if you are on plane or not by feel. Learn feel from correct mechanics.

One thing that Ted Fort pointed out to me that really helped my underplane issues was Extensor Action. My right elbow was getting a little too "close to me" coming down which brought my hands and clubshaft underplane.

Really get a "wide" feeling via Extensor Action as you are coming down. It'll feel like the club is way out in front of you.