[12 piece bucket]

Bucket, thanks for the links but be sure that this thread was for discussion of how we to explain why the ball behaves differently when we use different hinges...is it real or just d-plane with a "seems as if"....it is not intended to rip Homer's work...but equally we should not fear reaching a conclusion that differs from HK.

PLEASE DO NOT EQUATE "D-PLANE" WITH ANY OTHER TGM QUALIFIED INSTRUCTORS WORK (see, not just Ben Hogan and Homer who can use caps for effect!). It is Dr. T's phrase as far as i am aware...

For those who state that Hinge action is just altering the clubface at impact...hence d-plane alignments at impact... does anyone have proof that the clubface behaves differently PRE-IMPACT for horizontal hinge versus vertical hinge which we obviously feel as though they occur through impact??

ie. "the club is preparing pre-impact to get to a different destination post impact" ...as clubhead travel differs post impact for horizontal and vertical hinge actions.

AGAIN, I stress keep this is meant to be a non-patronising / non-confrontational discussion...Thanks - keep your thoughts coming.

Sorry . . . I didn't think you put it up as a rip at all. Certainly didn't mean to imply that you were disparaging Mr. K's work by opening the discussion. Based on this cat's work there are certainly some areas where The Machine and this dude don't match.

But I would say that BOTH Mr. K and Jerkingsome or whatever his name is both understand that the face controls the starting direction and the divergence of the path to the face makes the ball curve due to tilting of the axis it is spining on . . . and Mr. K didn't have no 'puter.

Bottom line swing right of the face ball hooks . . . swing left of the face and it fades. There are some big pieces in this regards to shaft lean as well and how you get your hands on the club.

You're cool with me and my post wasn't meant to make you into no criminal.