Rob has accomplished this with me

[grapegoat]

this is from today and i still seem to be bending the plane line on the way down. look at this and let me know what everyone thinks. i can take harsh criticism so let me have it.

chris
ps. soon i will post a driver down the line and also a vid from 4 years ago for everyone to laugh at

[grapegoat]

this is driver from today

this is from about 4 years ago

[rogerdodger]

What thoughts did Rob stress to get your backswing more upright and less flat? Your old swing looks like mine, I am trying to get my swing towards the plane reflected in your latest pictures. Any suggestions how that was accomplished?

[grapegoat]

it has taken alot of time and effort to get to where i am now. the problems i face normally are an unsteady tripod, and underplane. this change could have more than likely taken place in less than one year with the right info and instructor, i have been with one who mixes his instruction based on what he sees and likes in a swing in his library and pictures. this caused alot of heartache and sweat but has been well worth it. i cannot seem to find anything in my lesson videos as i have probabbly just overlooked them. The main things i cannot understand is the fact that the shaft is verticle but the hands are moving around your body. Please correct me if i am wrong about this anyone.


chris

[neil]

it has taken alot of time and effort to get to where i am now. the problems i face normally are an unsteady tripod, and underplane. this change could have more than likely taken place in less than one year with the right info and instructor, i have been with one who mixes his instruction based on what he sees and likes in a swing in his library and pictures. this caused alot of heartache and sweat but has been well worth it. i cannot seem to find anything in my lesson videos as i have probabbly just overlooked them. The main things i cannot understand is the fact that the shaft is verticle but the hands are moving around your body. Please correct me if i am wrong about this anyone.


chris

Chris,I may be misunderstanding you,but are you talking about the wristcock being a vertical motion?
This is a very important thing to understand.Wristcock is a vertical motion ,but because of the body rotation imparting a rotational motion to the arms it occurs "on plane".

[Toolish]

What is the idea with watching the clubhead on the way back?

Seen a few people on TGM forums do this, but never seen anyone outside TGM do it?

[grapegoat]

I got in the habit a long time ago and have done it ever since. it going to be a hard fix im sure but i have not set my mind to it yet. my main focus has been plane for the last couple of years and that has been on the backburner. as an examle in John's latest video the club works up nicely. Should i try to emulate this.

[grapegoat]

are there any training aids that would be useful to setting the club more upright

[EdZ]

Practice slow motion backswings with your back against a wall (or a foot or so away). This will help give you the feel of the hands being 'under' the shaft, and the clubhead staying more in front of you, outside your hands until hip high. A bit more bent at the hips may also be helpful to you.

[grapegoat]

i will do the wall trick, i have done this before but the feeling i have had with this is the right wrist staying ontop of the left wrist. as for the plane as i have understud the plane needs to start up the plane of the shaft to hip high then up a slightly steeper plane through the shoulders onto the turned shoulder plane. the way John takes the club back is very similar to this and i have been wondering if i should try to emulate this of a slightly different model. any help has been greatly appreciated and i would love to have more input from others.