Acquired vs Total Thoughts and Questions

[Martee]

More questions or thoughts on the Jeff Hull Vids... (I think they are really good)

If as stated by Yoda, that you can hit a 5 iron from Acquired Motion and a 6 iron from Total Motion and
a. The speed registered by the 5 iron will be higher than the 6 iron (my speed measured the same)
b. The distance of the 5 iron will be further than the 6 iron
c. The difference between Acquired Motion and Total Motion speed will be about 5 mph (Seems like this
would increase for the longer clubs. Realize 5 mph is guessmate I am sure) which at about 2.3 yds/mph
is about 11 yds

1. Does anyone know of any studies done on this concept?

2. Given this is accurate, then would it not make sense to first
a. Perform Acquired Motion to identify any lack of percison, flaws, etc?
b. Develop the golf stroke in total at Acquired Motion before going on to Total Motion
c. With the Difference between Acquired Motion and Total Motion, it seems to identify and correct or make
adjustments would be best served at the area of introduction, rather than in the Total Motion for all?

3. It does seem that pivot, which can be a problem for a lot of golfers is not adding all that much to
the overall golf stroke, in fact couple with the additional distance the body parts are traveling will further add
possible errors.

[Yoda]

More questions or thoughts on the Jeff Hull Vids... (I think they are really good)

If as stated by Yoda, that you can hit a 5 iron from Acquired Motion and a 6 iron from Total Motion and
a. The speed registered by the 5 iron will be higher than the 6 iron (my speed measured the same)
b. The distance of the 5 iron will be further than the 6 iron
c. The difference between Acquired Motion and Total Motion speed will be about 5 mph (Seems like this
would increase for the longer clubs. Realize 5 mph is guessmate I am sure) which at about 2.3 yds/mph
is about 11 yds

1. Does anyone know of any studies done on this concept?

Martee,

The purpose of my comments was to highlight the fact that Length of Stroke is only one factor in Clubhead Power. These concepts are not discussed in TGM except as Power Regulation variables, i.e., Swing Radius (Length of Lever / 2-M-2-2) and Acceleration Time (Length of Stroke / 2-M-2-3). Further, I am not aware of any specific 'controlled' studies on the phenomenon.

My statements reflected my own real-time experience with students. In that regard, think of my remarks as 'conceptual guesstimates' that will definitely vary from student-to-student, but within a tolerance that will always support the original premise. Namely, that a controlled motion with a lower-numbered club will get the job done just as well as a not-so-controlled motion with a higher-numbered club.

Remember, too, that real-world, golfer-generated distance -- not laboratory, machine-generated distance -- is dependent on more than just Clubhead Speed. A Ball hit squarely on the Sweetspot will go further than the one hit off-center, and the more-controlled Stroke makes that precision easier to achieve.

I remember the fun we had at the LBG Academy at Old Waverly Golf Club last Spring. With the entire class looking on, student after student -- and the pros, too! -- proved the point. At least one had even greater Clubhead Speed with Acquired Motion than with Total Motion...with the same club!

The reason?

With his Total Motion, he was well into Throwaway long before he reached the Acquired Motion Top! This earlier Release reduced the Acceleration Rate (Lag Pressure / 2-M-2-1) and increased the Release Interval (Centrifugal Reaction / 2-M-2-4), thus reducing the Surface Speed of the Clubhead into Impact.

[Bagger Lance]

My statements reflected my own real-time experience with students. In that regard, think of my remarks as 'conceptual guesstimates' that will definitely vary from student-to-student, but within a tolerance that will always support the original premise.

You mean...

It's not in specifically in The Book!!!

It's from real world experience???

My head is spinning...did the earths magnetic poles just reverse?

What will they say about you now?

Sorry, it's been a rough couple of weeks.

[Yoda]

You mean...

It's not in specifically in The Book!!!

It's from real world experience???

My head is spinning...did the earths magnetic poles just reverse?

What will they say about you now?

Yes, Bagger. I seem to be making progress.

Since my return to teaching in April 2004 at the PGA TOUR Academy, I have taught many hundreds of amateurs and professionals. That instruction has been delivered privately -- both on my own Lesson Tee and on the PGA TOUR -- and in more than a dozen major Academies in three countries.

I learn from each new experience and do my best to apply that knowledge to the next. My more than 4,000 posts on this site are a distillate of that work and, also, my 27 years of study of The Golfing Machine, including the personal tutelage of its author, Homer Kelley.

Unfortunately, as your post suggested, every step along the way has elevated the frustration level of a certain disgruntled, self-avowed competitor. For many months now, using his own website as his forum, he has continually knocked me and the work I do. Criticism and debate of a particular teaching methodology is one thing. Malicious personal and professional attacks are quite another. As a result, he is no longer welcome here, and his LBG membership privileges have been revoked. In short, the bitten hand has bitten back.

This difficult circumstance is in stark contrast to the many professional friendships I now enjoy all over the world. I am privileged that twenty of these friends have chosen to list and participate as Professional Contributors. I am also grateful for the many professionals -- both teaching and PGA TOUR -- who visit us daily and who often offer kind words of encouragement via email and Private Message.

My "competitor" does make a certain point, though: Where would I be if I had his "25 years of continuous teaching experience."

A fun thought.



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