Single plane or TGM?

[stags14]

Hello all. I am new to the forums. Looks like an interesting place with tons of info and a bunch of enthusiastic people. I like it.

I sent an email to Ted earlier today (he frequents another forum I am on)... I thought I would throw my query out there as well to those students that have used TGM to perhaps get their input as well. I recently read Hardy's Plane truth and found some of the concepts to be very interesting. I am trying to find out the differences between TGM and Single plane theory. Trying to decide which will work better and help me achieve my goals.

I must be clear... I am certainly not asking anyone to bash Hardy's Theory, nor am I questioning the validity of TGM. I am simply trying to gain an understanding of each so that I can make an informed decision as possible about which road I should travel down.

Below is the copy of the email I sent to Ted.

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Ted,

Thank you in advance for your time. I am looking to take my game to the next level. My index has been in the 0.5 to 4.0 range for quite some time (generally it is around 2.0). I would like to take it a touch lower and more importantly develop more consistency in my ball striking. I have competed in our State Am a few times and have also done well in the past in local Am events.

I want to become more consistent, and more competetive. I have taken 3 lessons in total in my life (I am 33 years old). I have always just had a mindset of "I'll figure it out on my own". I am a touch stubborn and it took me a while to learn that if I want to get my game to the next level, I am going to have to seek out the help of people that can assist me in getting there.

I am in my discovery phase for trying to find an approach that will help me get to where I want to go. TGM may be just that, Hardy's one plane may be that as well. I do not know enough about TGM to understand the difference between the two.

As I posted earlier, I am not at all questioning the validity of TGM, nor am I asking you to "bash" Hardy's theories of the one plane swing. I am just trying to gather as much info as I possibly can so I can make the best decision for what approach I need to take for my improvement process.

Looking very much to hearing back from you.

Regards,

Stags

[YodasLuke]

Hello all. I am new to the forums. Looks like an interesting place with tons of info and a bunch of enthusiastic people. I like it.

I sent an email to Ted earlier today (he frequents another forum I am on)... I thought I would throw my query out there as well to those students that have used TGM to perhaps get their input as well. I recently read Hardy's Plane truth and found some of the concepts to be very interesting. I am trying to find out the differences between TGM and Single plane theory. Trying to decide which will work better and help me achieve my goals.

I must be clear... I am certainly not asking anyone to bash Hardy's Theory, nor am I questioning the validity of TGM. I am simply trying to gain an understanding of each so that I can make an informed decision as possible about which road I should travel down.

Below is the copy of the email I sent to Ted.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ted,

Thank you in advance for your time. I am looking to take my game to the next level. My index has been in the 0.5 to 4.0 range for quite some time (generally it is around 2.0). I would like to take it a touch lower and more importantly develop more consistency in my ball striking. I have competed in our State Am a few times and have also done well in the past in local Am events.

I want to become more consistent, and more competetive. I have taken 3 lessons in total in my life (I am 33 years old). I have always just had a mindset of "I'll figure it out on my own". I am a touch stubborn and it took me a while to learn that if I want to get my game to the next level, I am going to have to seek out the help of people that can assist me in getting there.

I am in my discovery phase for trying to find an approach that will help me get to where I want to go. TGM may be just that, Hardy's one plane may be that as well. I do not know enough about TGM to understand the difference between the two.

As I posted earlier, I am not at all questioning the validity of TGM, nor am I asking you to "bash" Hardy's theories of the one plane swing. I am just trying to gather as much info as I possibly can so I can make the best decision for what approach I need to take for my improvement process.

Looking very much to hearing back from you.

Regards,

Stags

I've had so many lessons today, but I'm going to try to get back to post a response soon.

I can help you get better, guaranteed!

[12 piece bucket]

I've had so many lessons today, but I'm going to try to get back to post a response soon.

I can help you get better, guaranteed!

He ain't lying!

[jim_0068]

Please realize that Hardy's "concept of plane" really has no basis on ANY KIND OF SHAFT PLANE ANYWHERE.

He's simply describing too different "patterns" as we say in TGM (ways to swing a club)

The single plane idea is simply:
-more bent over
-stand further away from it

this will cause you to have a rounder/flatter swing that if you do as he says puts you UNDER PLANE at the top of the swing. The only way to find the plane properly on the downswing is to STEEPEN your swing and swing outside in. That's why you see Olin Browne practicing that routine so much and also why he mainly hits the fade.

The two plane idea is one where:
-you stand closer
-you stand more upright

this basically makes your swing more vertical and upright and imo easier to find the REAL plane.

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IMO, don't worrk about 1 or 2 plane just simply SWING ON PLANE.

Homer said it best, all you need is a:

1) flat left wrist
2) swing on plane (trace a straight plane line)
3) have lag

Can't do much wrong if you do all 3 above

[stags14]

Please realize that Hardy's "concept of plane" really has no basis on ANY KIND OF SHAFT PLANE ANYWHERE.

He's simply describing too different "patterns" as we say in TGM (ways to swing a club)

The single plane idea is simply:
-more bent over
-stand further away from it

this will cause you to have a rounder/flatter swing that if you do as he says puts you UNDER PLANE at the top of the swing. The only way to find the plane properly on the downswing is to STEEPEN your swing and swing outside in. That's why you see Olin Browne practicing that routine so much and also why he mainly hits the fade.

The two plane idea is one where:
-you stand closer
-you stand more upright

this basically makes your swing more vertical and upright and imo easier to find the REAL plane.

----------

IMO, don't worrk about 1 or 2 plane just simply SWING ON PLANE.

Homer said it best, all you need is a:

1) flat left wrist
2) swing on plane (trace a straight plane line)
3) have lag

Can't do much wrong if you do all 3 above

Please excuse my beginner question, but what do you mean by the "real plane"?

[Bagger Lance]

Please excuse my beginner question, but what do you mean by the "real plane"?

If you ever picked up Hogans Five Lessons, he introduced the concept to the masses, that the golfswing is performed on a geometric inclined plane. Actually it was introduced prior to Hogan, but probably didn't hit mainstream consciousness until then.

Hardy has unfortunately introduced a great deal of confusion regarding terminology.

In TGM swinging the clubshaft on the inclined plane without deviation, is one of the three basic imperatives in making a sound golfstroke. From putt to drive.

Bagger

[stags14]

I've had so many lessons today, but I'm going to try to get back to post a response soon.

I can help you get better, guaranteed!

What type of guarantee do you offer?

[jim_0068]

Well, i'm not ted but i usually guarrantee when i give a lesson that i will get you to hit a ball like you never have before (fully compressed)

Doesn't matter the handicap usually, i can always find some kind of leakage

[stags14]

Well, i'm not ted but i usually guarrantee when i give a lesson that i will get you to hit a ball like you never have before (fully compressed)

Doesn't matter the handicap usually, i can always find some kind of leakage

What do you mean exactly by fully compressed?

Not trying to be argumentative, but I am pretty sure I have hit many golf shots over the years where the ball was fully compressed. Certainly not all the time, but by dumb luck I have probably fell backwards into a few very good swings. I just wish I did it more often

[hue]

What type of guarantee do you offer?

I am not easily impressed and have had many lessons with many people. Ted helped me at the Canton golf school. No question Ted is a brilliant teacher and he genuinely wants his pupils to improve he also knows his stuff inside out. That combination is very rare. Improvement with him is inevitable providing YOU make some effort to do as he says.