Generally speaking, it's where the straight line path of the hands ends and the circular path begins in the downswing. For a delayed release Swinger, it's the release point or the point where the Left Wrist cock unloads. In order to minimize the pulley size, the Right Hand stays close to the Right Shoulder on the downswing.
Generally speaking, it's where the straight line path of the hands ends and the circular path begins in the downswing. For a delayed release Swinger, it's the release point or the point where the Left Wrist cock unloads. In order to minimize the pulley size, the Right Hand stays close to the Right Shoulder on the downswing.
hmmm....so does that imply/necessitate a steeper path with small pulley?
I can see the “belt” from the top of the back swing down along to the release of accum#2- the path of the hands. But I also see the wrist action of #2 and #3 as a small pulley onto itself regardless of where the hands in relation to the right shoulder. Am I off target here?
I agree with the 'never move your hands with your hands', but disagree that this has much to do with your hands being close to your right shoulder. You can have your hands quite well extended and still not move your hands with your hands. See Tiger.
This is the idea behind Mike Austin's "keep the 7" - extension and lag.
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Yes, the action of the right arm, is what keeps the left arm stretched and extended, or "straight." In SWINGING, the left arm is like a rope. In HITTING, the left arm is more like an ax handle, but ideally there should still be Extensor Action present.
This is correct in the context of Homer's recommendations, but limits the player to a large pulley stroke. Small pulley players such as Howell, Couples, and Mickelson do not use extensor action, but have relaxed trail sides to allow the narrow downswing.
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Sorry, MJ, we are at odds here.
Extensor Action is present in all great Strokes, Sweep Releases (Large Pulley Wheel) andSnap (Small Pulley Wheels). This is true whether the Stroke is driven by Centrifugal Force -- passive Right Elbow -- or Muscular Thrust -- active Right Elbow.
The 'narrow' Downstroke you refer to is simply the Straight Line Delivery Path (10-23-A or C) as enabled by the Hip Action (Standard or Delayed per 10-15-A or B) and its Hip Slide (per 10-14-A or B).
Generally speaking, it's where the straight line path of the hands ends and the circular path begins in the downswing. For a delayed release Swinger, it's the release point or the point where the Left Wrist cock unloads. In order to minimize the pulley size, the Right Hand stays close to the Right Shoulder on the downswing.
hmmm....so does that imply/necessitate a steeper path with small pulley?
Not steeper, because a large pulley, max delay wrist uncocking, snap release swing is as steep, but the shaft is not as close to the Right Shoulder. This is the action of T Woods of 1996.
I believe that Doyle and Hebron are talking about transporting the hands with the pivot. I'm talking about the the hands dropping to release point during the pivot, the shaft staying close to the Right Shoulder and the Right Elbow moving in front of the right hip. This requires a tension free trail arm, which makes Extensor Action impossible.
I guess that depends on how you judge a "great" stroke. For example, Hal Sutton used an ABSOLUTELY tension free Right Arm in a Pivot Controlled Hands Swing, which he called a body swing. In fact, during a tournament, he walked around the clubhouse with his Right Arm hanging lifelessly at his side not using it for any activity, with the idea that he would be much more unlikely to use it in any way in his swing. His Right Arm was limp in the swing. This reempts either version of Extensor Action. Since this swing won the PGA, I would classify it as a great stroke.
There is NO WAY the small pulley Swinger gets his hands to a position even with the trail thigh with the shaft 30 degrees above horizontal, with even the slight amount of Right Tricep thrust as that required for EA. The best that the big pulley Swinger can do is a horizontal shaft when the hands reach the trail thigh.
I believe that Doyle and Hebron are talking about transporting the hands with the pivot. I'm talking about the the hands dropping to release point during the pivot, the shaft staying close to the Right Shoulder and the Right Elbow moving in front of the right hip.
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MJ,
For a number of reasons, the ideal Swing Plane is the TurnedShoulderPlane (10-6-B). Further, this may be accomplished with Zero Shift (10-7-A) -- that is, the Hands adhere to this Plane Angle throughout the Stroke and execute a Straight Line Delivery Path (10-23-A) to the Ball.
However, the procedure you have described -- "the hands dropping to Release point during the pivot" -- is a viable alternative and is catalogued as the Angled Line Delivery Path (10-23-D). That is, as the LeadingBody Transports the LaggingPower Package to Release, the Hands take a nearly Vertical path to the Elbow Plane Angle before they drive directly at and through the Aiming Point.
There is no inconsistency here. There is only Homer Kelley's genius:
Straight Line or Angled Line. Your choice.
And there is no right or wrong. Only personal preference.
I'm going for the easiest route to solid golf. Tho my flexibility makes it no concern to me, would you say that many pro swings are along the lines of 10-7-C Master Yoda?
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