hcw... Extensor Action-- Feel this by slipping a rope or string around your left shoulder. Get your golf posture and let the rope hang down. Now, gently stretch the rope by the action of the bent and on plane right arm. The stretch direction should feel below plane. To do this with your left arm... feel the stretch through the #1 pressure point(right lifeline) on the aft positioned left thumb, or the #3 PressurePoint(first joint of right index finger), or both. This is a VERY IMPORTANT aspect of TGM. Keep this FEEL throughout the stroke.[/quote]
Lagster, my left arm keeps breaking down through impact, would extensor action be a good thing to correct this? If so how does one learn to do it?
hcwLagster, my left arm keeps breaking down through impact, would extensor action be a good thing to correct this? If so how does one learn to do it?
hackster,
Yes, Extensor Action would be the way to go!
First, practice the rope drill posted earlier in this section. Attach a rope around your left shoulder. Notice how the action of the on plane right arm keeps the rope gently stretched.
Then, starting with short chips, and pitches... work on this same feel, but with your left arm. Gently stretch the rope like left arm by exerting some pressure on the #1 pressure point(right lifeline)by slightly pulling on the left thumb to stretch the left arm(6-B-1-D). You should also feel some pressure on the #3 pressure point(first joint of the right index finger). Keep this same extension pressure back and down. Be aware of the downswing extension, so as to not have downswing blackout.
I'm going for the easiest route to solid golf. Tho my flexibility makes it no concern to me, would you say that many pro swings are along the lines of 10-7-C Master Yoda?
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Many players set up with Low Hands -- lots of #3 Accumulator -- and 'hanging Arms' (Right Forearm not On Plane) and then use a Shoulder Turn Takeaway (which puts the Club too low). These players have little choice but to at least Single Shift (from Elbow Plane to TurnedShoulderPlane) and probably to Double Shift (return to the Elbow Plane during Impact). So, yes, you see a lot of that.
This topic was originally about Physics, and we started with MASS. We got into Extensor Action, and a few other things along the way. Extensor Action does, however, help give more MASS. "This relives the Wrists of considerable responsibility and gives this drive a much more massive kind of support while freeing the Wrists for a sharper focus on Ball Control." 6-B-1-D
The next thing was SPACE... MASS, SPACE, TIME, ENERGY
SPACE is measured in terms of DISTANCE(inches, millimeters, etc.)
I'll start... At what point does the added advantage of a longer club (bigger arc) become a disadvantage for increasing the distance of a drive?
There is obviously a point where the club becomes too heavy(45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50"...)? There was a guy on the Senior Tour that used a very long driver, Rocky Thompson, and won a tournament or two.
This topic was originally about Physics, and we started with MASS. We got into Extensor Action, and a few ather things along the way. Extensor Action does, however, help give more MASS. "This relives the Wrists of considerable responsibility and gives this drive a much more massive kind of support while freeing the Wrists for a sharper focus on Ball Control." 6-B-1-D
The next thing was SPACE... MASS, SPACE, TIME, ENERGY
SPACE is measured in terms of DISTANCE(inches, millimeters, etc.)
I'll start... At what point does the added advantage of a longer club (bigger arc) become a disadvantage for increasing the distance of a drive?
There is obviously a point where the club becomes too heavy(45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50"...)? There was a guy on the Senior Tour that used a very long driver.
I agree with Lagster!, but as far as the length of the club, I dont know?
This topic was originally about Physics, and we started with MASS. We got into Extensor Action, and a few ather things along the way. Extensor Action does, however, help give more MASS. "This relives the Wrists of considerable responsibility and gives this drive a much more massive kind of support while freeing the Wrists for a sharper focus on Ball Control." 6-B-1-D
The next thing was SPACE... MASS, SPACE, TIME, ENERGY
SPACE is measured in terms of DISTANCE(inches, millimeters, etc.)
I'll start... At what point does the added advantage of a longer club (bigger arc) become a disadvantage for increasing the distance of a drive?
There is obviously a point where the club becomes too heavy(45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50"...)? There was a guy on the Senior Tour that used a very long driver.
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Okay, guys. It is apparent we need a new section on the Forum: The Lab.
Here we can discuss topics that would challenge Einstein and bring a tear to Stephen Hawking's eye. Ideally, we will keep in mind that we are a Forum inhabited by Golfers, but other than that minimal constraint, this will be a no-holds-barred Geek Stronghold. Frontier subjects such as kinesiology; the wonders of how we learn; and even Higher Mathematics And The Cure For The Common Slice will be daily grist for our mill.
Professor Hawking -- Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge University and author of the popular best-seller A Brief History of Time (198 and most recently, The Universe In A Nutshell, would be particularly proud of our 'no boundaries' charter:
"My goal is simple. It is complete understanding of the universe, why it is as it is and why it exists at all."
This is the kind of thinking that packed the lecture hall at the 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation last year in Dublin. Move over people. You ain't seen nut'in yet!
Meanwhile, the 'rest of us' are invited to join me tomorrow in The Clubhouse Lounge. I've got a story or two to tell you about Rocky Thompson, that long-driving senior Lagster referred to above. You see, it all started with the Killer Bee Driver...
Rocky Thompson, and a guy named Wedgy Winchester could/can really bomb that ball with the LONG DRIVER. I think Wedgy actually won a national long drive competition with a club that he normally used for trick shot shows.
Back to MASS for a moment...
There has been talk on other threads that MASS is not much of a factor.
I believe it is. It is the EFFECTIVE transfer of MASS to the ball that is key. The more effecient golf strokes transfer MASS from the person and club into the ball more effieiently, through factors like FOOT LOADING, EXTENSOR ACTION, LAG LEAKAGE PREVENTION, ETC..
ALSO... the actual MASS of the person is somewhat of a factor. A 100 lb. golfing machine should hit the ball futher than a 1 lb. golfing machine, with the other factors being equal. Jeff Sluman and Ian Woosnam are pretty long, but they are not as long as Big Cat(Evan) Williams or Jason Zubeck.
This is just one factor, there are many others, but it is a factor up to a point. The effieient transfer of MASS is the key.
Rocky Thompson, and a guy named Wedgy Winchester could/can really bomb that ball with the LONG DRIVER. I think Wedgy actually won a national long drive competition with a club that he normally used for trick shot shows.
Back to MASS for a moment...
There has been talk on other threads that MASS is not much of a factor.
I believe it is. It is the EFFECTIVE transfer of MASS to the ball that is key. The more effecient golf strokes transfer MASS from the person and club into the ball more effieiently, through factors like FOOT LOADING, EXTENSOR ACTION, LAG LEAKAGE PREVENTION, ETC..
ALSO... the actual MASS of the person is somewhat of a factor. A 100 lb. golfing machine should hit the ball futher than a 1 lb. golfing machine, with the other factors being equal. Jeff Sluman and Ian Woosnam are pretty long, but they are not as long as Big Cat(Evan) Williams or Jason Zubeck.
This is just one factor, there are many others, but it is a factor up to a point. The effieient transfer of MASS is the key.
Absolutely. Mass matters, all other variables being equal.
I love the 'lab' addition.....
I can see it now..... "String Theory and You - How to improve your putting through nano-vibration and worm holes"
(kidding of course)
Thanks, yet another addition to the site that should be very helpful! Great job guys....
The fun continues! Gotta love it - EdZ
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Rocky Thompson, and a guy named Wedgy Winchester could/can really bomb that ball with the LONG DRIVER. I think Wedgy actually won a national long drive competition with a club that he normally used for trick shot shows.
Back to MASS for a moment...
There has been talk on other threads that MASS is not much of a factor.
I believe it is. It is the EFFECTIVE transfer of MASS to the ball that is key. The more effecient golf strokes transfer MASS from the person and club into the ball more effieiently, through factors like FOOT LOADING, EXTENSOR ACTION, LAG LEAKAGE PREVENTION, ETC..
ALSO... the actual MASS of the person is somewhat of a factor. A 100 lb. golfing machine should hit the ball futher than a 1 lb. golfing machine, with the other factors being equal. Jeff Sluman and Ian Woosnam are pretty long, but they are not as long as Big Cat(Evan) Williams or Jason Zubeck.
This is just one factor, there are many others, but it is a factor up to a point. The effieient transfer of MASS is the key.
hi again,
i disagree, sorta...in reality there is no actual "transfer of mass" from person to club (ie atoms don't flow from your hands down the shaft to the clubhead for impact and then back up again, youch!...if we can agree on that then i think the force you put on the ball can be defined by F=ma (force = mass X acceleration)...what you are calling efficient "transfer of mass" i think is either good vs. poor contact (ie solidly landed right hook vs. glancing blow on jaw) and/or efficient acceleration of the clubhead so that the max acceleration is at impact...both of these are skills that are performed using the "factors" you listed above...as i said before i think the mass of the person is only a factor in that, generally speaking, bigger people have bigger muscles that can produce more acceleration...however, bottom line, i think we are talking about the same thing just using different descriptors.
To clarify - to get that clubhead accelerating maximally, you do need to be very good at "Transferring Momentum"- from one joint to another, and eventually to the clubhead. Your point is well taken that we are not transferring Mass but we are transferring momentum (massxvelocity) That's what lagster is referencing.
and most recently, The Universe In A Nutshell, would be particularly proud of our 'no boundaries' charter: 
...if we can agree on that then i think the force you put on the ball can be defined by F=ma (force = mass X acceleration)...what you are calling efficient "transfer of mass" i think is either good vs. poor contact (ie solidly landed right hook vs. glancing blow on jaw) and/or efficient acceleration of the clubhead so that the max acceleration is at impact...both of these are skills that are performed using the "factors" you listed above...as i said before i think the mass of the person is only a factor in that, generally speaking, bigger people have bigger muscles that can produce more acceleration...however, bottom line, i think we are talking about the same thing just using different descriptors.
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