This is the FEEL of ANGLED HINGING!!! Which is a MUST with your grip my friend from down-under. Check this quote out . . .
Can I have angled hinging and still hit a draw? as i mentioned earlier on i have pretty much never faded the ball, straight or slight draw is my "good" shot. The odd fade i have hit (unintentionally) has been with the very short irons e.g. PW
I thought that angled hinging = fade, although perhaps my angled hinge might be closer to a horizontal one?
Not sure whether it makes much difference but others have mentioned my clubface looking very "shut" at the top, not sure if this is a result of the grip or some manipulation along the way.... i'll try and borrow a camera at some point and put a sequence up...
Can I have angled hinging and still hit a draw? as i mentioned earlier on i have pretty much never faded the ball, straight or slight draw is my "good" shot. The odd fade i have hit (unintentionally) has been with the very short irons e.g. PW
I thought that angled hinging = fade, although perhaps my angled hinge might be closer to a horizontal one?
Not sure whether it makes much difference but others have mentioned my clubface looking very "shut" at the top, not sure if this is a result of the grip or some manipulation along the way.... i'll try and borrow a camera at some point and put a sequence up...
B . . . You can hit a draw or a cut with ANY Hinge Action . . .
2-J-1 IMPACT ALIGNMENTS . . .Except with a Cut Shot procedure, the clubface is properly soled behind the ball when the leadingedge is slightly "open." The longer the shot the more Open the Clubface.
The Clubface must be exactly square to the Line of Flight ONLY at the point of Separation. So if the EXECUTION of the Stroke is geometrically correct, a square face at pre-impact can result in a Line of Flight to the left, or "inside" of the intended Line - a Pulled Shot. Or, if this error of alignment is great enough, it will result in a Hooked Shot.
and
7-2 GRIP TYPES . . . For the “True” Hitter, Moving the Ball back (Hook alignment) or forward (Slice alignment) – always with the Clubface aligned to the Target Line per 2-J-1 – gives straightaway initial direction (2-B). Opening the Clubface (Slice Grip) or Closing the Clubface (Hook Grip) at your normal Impact Fix, produces Pushed Slices and Pulled Hooks and so require a compensating Target Line adjustment to make it square to the changed Clubface alignment.
For the “True” Swinger, “Opening” the Plane Line (10-5-D) until it is square to the Clubface alignment at the new “Aft” location, will produce a “Fade.” With the Ball moved Forward, “Closing” the Plane Line (10-5-E) square to the Clubface alignment at the new location, will produce a “Draw.” The Curve of the their paths, after the straightaway initial direction, will be proportional to the divergence of the Plane and Target Lines. Herein, “Path” terms (Ball Path etc.) refer to total Ball behavior, whether or not it remains straightaway. “Line” terms (“Target Line” etc.) refer to the straightaway direction of Aim
Went and had another lesson earlier in the week and got my grip checked. My coach suggested weakening a bit but leaving the thumb on the right hand side of the shaft.
From this...
To this.....
Everything since then is either a push slice or almost shank !
Do i need to conciously try and close the face now as opposed to my previous "strong grip"?
I have a square or closed clubface all the way from the top, so at separation I hold my left wrist (too much) and not really "swivel", I feel that if I roll my left wrist it's going to close the clubface during Impact/separation... hello Pull/Hook!
Is it a mechanical thing or just mentally? Why am I not able to get this Horizonal Hinge especially with my driver,
where I need to fully uncock and roll the Left Wrist the most!
Look at my LEFT WRIST at Impact\separation and after, it almost reverse roll! ala Zack Johnson (almost vertical hinged)
I'm tired from this Angled hinge with the driver, it feels unnatural holding the left wrist.
It's almost feel like a flip...
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You are executing your hinge action to the vertical wall instead of the horizontal floor. The wrist needs to be vertical, or perpendicular to the corresponding plane. A Horizontal Hinge (complete with roll and swivel ) is vertical- 90 degrees- to the ground. Your vertical hinge is vertical or perpendicular- 90 degrees to a vertical wall.
Trace a straight plane line and be ready to roll along it through impact. Swivel finished. Nice swing. Just practice a Horizontal Hinge.
You are executing your hinge action to the vertical wall instead of the horizontal floor. The wrist needs to be vertical, or perpendicular to the corresponding plane. A Horizontal Hinge (complete with roll and swivel ) is vertical- 90 degrees- to the ground. Your vertical hinge is vertical or perpendicular- 90 degrees to a vertical wall.
Trace a straight plane line and be ready to roll along it through impact. Swivel finished. Nice swing. Just practice a Horizontal Hinge.
Thank you for the reply,
I read the chapter on hinges on the yellow book but still I'm a little confused about what you said,
A Horizontal Hinge (complete with roll and swivel ) is vertical- 90 degrees- to the ground.
I'm trying to find the reason I'm not rolling my Left Wrist( horizontal hinge ) I leave my clubface almost open with my angled hinge and this is the Driver so no power there.
Thanks again
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If you want to experiment, heres a few suggestions from the armchair.
It looks like you've got a pretty strong grip. Makes it a little more challenging to swivel and roll. Also why your clubface is facing the sky at the end of your swing with a flat left wrist.
Try taking your grip at impact fix before startup. See if it weakens a bit.
Then hit little 175 yard drives with a full roll follow-through and get use to the rhythm of horizontal hinging.
However - quick fixes over the internet don't hold a candle to a live, 3 dimensional lesson with one of our instructors. On the internet you may get a fix, but not the cure.
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You are executing your hinge action to the vertical wall instead of the horizontal floor. The wrist needs to be vertical, or perpendicular to the corresponding plane. A Horizontal Hinge (complete with roll and swivel ) is vertical- 90 degrees- to the ground. Your vertical hinge is vertical or perpendicular- 90 degrees to a vertical wall.
Trace a straight plane line and be ready to roll along it through impact. Swivel finished. Nice swing. Just practice a Horizontal Hinge.
Ok, I understand thanks to Yoda, A Lesson with Yoda - Collin Neeman Chapter 4 - LBG Lesson - Total Motion
Made it clear what you mean A Horizontal Hinge (complete with roll and swivel ) is vertical- 90 degrees- to the ground.
Well almost because I'll have to practice.
I still have a feeling it's a clubface problem which is too "closed" at the top all the way so if I'll fix the clubface like Bagger Lance said ( thanks) with a weaker left grip, I'll have to roll my left wrist - Horizontal hinge.
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The main trade off is power. Lee, Zinger and Pressel could have all hit it farther using a weaker grip and full roll (transfer power). This requires better Rhythm however.
But they never would have been as accurate as they are.
It will be interesting to see if Pressel stays with the grip she has now, or if playing with longer drivers will push her to try to gain distance.
A vast majority of higher handicapers would do better with 10-2-D (and the fade it basically requires) because of the significant advantage in ease of compression as well as the lesser requirement of Rhythm. The problem arises when 10-2-D players try to play a draw
I'm not suggesting you are wrong EdZ, but how would you explain the accuracy of Ben Hogan and Moe Norman with these principles?
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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