12-1 and 12-2 technically refer to 10-13-A, or Standard. A combination of 10-13-B and 10-13-D. So...at the top, you would have 10-13-B per 12-1 and 12-2.
Yes! That is why I said emphasised the word Downstroke in my last post! In fact, the photo in 10-13-D #2 is suppose to illustrate the same point as the one in 10-13-B #2, in the sense that they both represent a 10-13-B backstroke shoulder turn (even though 10-13-D #2 can also represent a 10-13-C backstroke shoulder turn, but it doesn't. Hope that doesn't confuse anyone!)
Originally Posted by phillygolf
Secondly...the arrow indeed is to indicate the right shoulder is on plane at the follow through - and though the pictures are to represent only that specific component, its easy to see that Diane has Zero #3 accumulator.
There is Accumulator #3 in the photo of 10-13-D #3! This is because the Right Forearm is On Plane (and as long as the grip is in the cup of the right hand, regardless of wrist condition) and by definition the Left Arm cannot be On Plane at the same time.
Yes! That is why I said emphasised the word Downstroke in my last post! In fact, the photo in 10-13-D #2 is suppose to illustrate the same point as the one in 10-13-B #2, in the sense that they both represent a 10-13-B backstroke shoulder turn (even though 10-13-D #2 can also represent a 10-13-C backstroke shoulder turn, but it doesn't. Hope that doesn't confuse anyone!)
Sorry. My point is....and I should have been more specific (regardless of your emphasis on the downswing), you stated this:
Originally Posted by tongzilla
Note that I'm assuming if the Shoulder is On Plane at the Top (10-13-D #2) and also On Plane at Follow Through (10-13-D #3), then it must be On Plane in between these two Sections also.
When it is actually a dual of B and D.
But..hey,lets not quibble. (Picture in 10-13-D # 2 is NOT the same as 10-13-B #2).
Originally Posted by tongzilla
There is Accumulator #3 in the photo of 10-13-D #3! This is because the Right Forearm is On Plane (and as long as the grip is in the cup of the right hand, regardless of wrist condition) and by definition the Left Arm cannot be On Plane at the same time.
Hang on...shaking my head. Now, I may not be the sharpest guy online, but this is alot!!!
First. By my visual at least ( and hey - anyone else chime in please!), I see 0 # 3 in pictures 1 and 3 and minimal, if any in #2.
Now....lets make sure we are on the same page.
Per 6-B-3-0, Power Acculumator #3 is formed by the angle established between the clubshaft and the left forearm
Now....and everyone follow along...
In 10-13-D, I cannot see the left arm. In 10-13-D, I can. In my mind, there is no accumulator # 3. Which goes back to your original question. And I believe I answered it sufficiently.
And you also said this:
Originally Posted by tongzilla
There is Accumulator #3 in the photo of 10-13-D #3! This is because the Right Forearm is On Plane (and as long as the grip is in the cup of the right hand, regardless of wrist condition) and by definition the Left Arm cannot be On Plane at the same time.
First. left forearm is higher in #3. Second...why by definition can the left arm and right arm not be on plane???? Because of the grip (cup)???
During Follow Through, there can be an instant where there is Zero Accumulator 3, in which case the Right Forearm and the Left arm can both be On Plane at that moment.
With the existence of Accumulator 3, it is not possible for both the Right Forearm and Left Arm to be On Plane at the same time.
10-13-D-2 is the same as 10-13-B-2 in the sense that it includes the situation depicted in 10-13-B-2. They are both trying to show the same thing.
(I have forgotten what the oringal discussion was...!)
Wouldn't a power accumulator past impact and into full extension be a misnomer? I know that the definition states that it is an out of line condition, but shouldn't that only fairly depict pre-spent and zeroed out
conditions? Just curious...and seriously just a matter of semantics, but it seems as if we could pick nits into infinitum.
Wouldn't a power accumulator past impact and into full extension be a misnomer? I know that the definition states that it is an out of line condition, but shouldn't that only fairly depict pre-spent and zeroed out
conditions? Just curious...and seriously just a matter of semantics, but it seems as if we could pick nits into infinitum.
EC
Our discussion was about Accumulator #3, which should never be out-of-line, unless you have a Bent Left Wrist.
(Like I said, I seem to have forgotten what the original discussion of this thread was about! )
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Please Leo, when you come to the States again, will you a Philly sit in front of my camera and let me tape both of you as you talk to each other about the book??? I find the two of you kindred souls sharing a unique passion for The Golfing Machine. It would be very interesting to watch and listen to you both explore the book.
Please Leo, when you come to the States again, will you a Philly sit in front of my camera and let me tape both of you as you talk to each other about the book??? I find the two of you kindred souls sharing a unique passion for The Golfing Machine. It would be very interesting to watch and listen to you both explore the book.
Think about it.
Mike!
I am up for it!
Of course...when in Ireland in March, maybe me and Tong can set something up!!!
Post separation accumulators standing in the unemployment line...
Originally Posted by tongzilla
Our discussion was about Accumulator #3, which should never be out-of-line, unless you have a Bent Left Wrist.
(Like I said, I seem to have forgotten what the original discussion of this thread was about! )
Tong, Philly,
Sorry for my Seinfeldian observational attempt. Since you guys had already strayed off topic, I just thought I would have a little fun and could not help imagining a coffee shop scene between Jerry and George debating what you might call a spent or released accumulator.
( By the way, I am aware that accumulator #3 is best served when it is in line radially via the flat left wrist or its equivalent and that it is only in line linearly when it is zeroed out.)
In the future, I'll keep my clumsy humerous thoughts where they belong...in the deep recesses of my somewhat cluttered mind.
Sorry for my Seinfeldian observational attempt. Since you guys had already strayed off topic, I just thought I would have a little fun and could not help imagining a coffee shop scene between Jerry and George debating what you might call a spent or released accumulator.
( By the way, I am aware that accumulator #3 is best served when it is in line radially via the flat left wrist or its equivalent and that it is only in line linearly when it is zeroed out.)
In the future, I'll keep my clumsy humerous thoughts where they belong...in the deep recesses of my somewhat cluttered mind.
Peace,
EC
EC,
Do I know you?
Good call. And yes...I got.
Now...did Carolina beat the Flyers Friday??? OUCH!
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