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Old 12-21-2005, 04:46 PM
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Thanks RWH
That is the first real attempt to answer my question. As a new reader of TGM I am interested in the prospect of a mechanically simple swing - zero plane shift variation with right forearm on plane at impact offers that opportunity.

I have noticed that players who have right forearm on plane at impact seem to achieve this in two differing ways

a) Impact shaft plane higher than address shaft plane forearm and hands elevate ( from address) to come in line at impact. I have written about this in another thread but this seems to be possible (if body/ spine angles is maintained) if the shaft is leaning forward ( or conceivably backward but one would hope not!!). You are right that if we adopt this from address it seems unusually high but same feeling is not "unusual" at impact. This has impact shaft plane higher than address shaft plane. See ernie els mid iron (http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/79626/1/2770245) on Redgoat site.

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b) impact shaft plane is same as address shaft plane This is potentially the position that would be achieved with a correct "zero plane shift" swing.The foream and shaft are on same plane at impact as address shaft plane. However , for whatever reason it is rarely adopted but can be incorporated into a uni/multi plane shift variation .see Aree Song ( http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/110120) on Redgoat website ( OK not exactly same but very close) The body angles look OK but the head has dipped??

I wonder whether one of these strategies is actually more consistent/ powerful or "better" than the other for a given style of swing?? Can players be grouped into one of these two patterns? is it useful??

I also wonder whether the true zero plane shift style is at all possible?? I know that TGM is not about prescribing one swing for all but it does set out a scientific argument for this swing being simple and successful - yet nobody uses it in any pure fashion... if the theory were 100% true then people must have a really good reason to alter it. NOWHERE in TGM does it specify these reasons other than saying in 7-7 " due to personal preference, natural inclination or the pressure of conditions it is not always advisable to adhere to a single inclined plane classification throughout the entire stroke".
That pretty much includes everybody as far as I can see because they don't use zeroplane shift!! To vary from sound physics they must have good reason.

Mechanically great, in theory, but are those mechanics based on human anatomy??

I had similar experience with Dave Pelz "PILS" putting stroke. Does "Perfy" truly recreate the human joint mechanism? Is it a natural style to adopt if the anatomy has to be manipulated to produce a mechanically perfect stroke?

Thanks for any comments
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Old 12-21-2005, 05:38 PM
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Few examples of shaft / impact plane variations
Few examples of planes at impact and address. Not sure what one can meaningfully derive from this but i am not an expert - I am sure there is somebody who can think of some useful point.

Is there a particular bad shot which may occur if one has one pattern or the other ?

Does it matter? Probably not because they are all pretty good strikers of the golf ball!



Address = impact shaft plane line ( approximately)

Vijay = http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80095/1/2785263


Couples = http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80514

Sergio = http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80523/1/2799712

http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80523/1/3795131




Impact Shaft plane line > Address

D Clarke = http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/83043


Robert Damron = http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/87167

http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/87167/1/3042242


Faldo = http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/88672

Peter Jacobsen = http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/102519/1/3788047

Kenny Perry = http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/81497/1/2831358

My only conclusions are that to retain Address shaft plane at impact there appears to be a substantial amount of Body ( eg vijay) manipulation or head dipping ( eg Sergio – but body angles stable)

Head can stay a bit higher if impact plane line is higher than address. BUT body angles are lost unless there is forward lean of shaft.

It is clearly a spectrum of swing pattern – here is Justin Rose http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/120728/1/4341641
halfway between the two ( minimal change in shaft plane) who has dipped head quite a lot.

I am not sure which is “cause” or “effect”.

I am sure this is what Brady Riggs is demonstrating but I have not considered this before myself . He appears to be showing Justin Rose maintains Tush line and nearly keeps impact shaft plane on same plane as address but only at expense of head dipping
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Old 12-26-2005, 05:28 PM
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I believe Nick Price is on very nearly the same plane at IMPACT and ADDRESS... one of the few players like that. His right forearm is on there as well.

Last edited by lagster : 12-26-2005 at 05:31 PM.
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