Average Joe

[Yoda]

Hogan said that the "average" golfer should be a 70's shooter. What do we say?

Can we develop a "scoring" template?

Good idea, Colonel,

What would you like to see in the TGM template for Game improvement?

[brianmanzella]

How good can Joe Average get and how much time will it take?

From 25,000 hours on the tee:

Getting to make a better swing and look like a golfer - 15min. to 2hours

Breaking 100 regularly (if you never have) - less than one year

Break 90 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 3 years

Break 80 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 5 years

Assuming an average condition man 35-55, five lessons a year, one bucket a week in season, 20+ rounds per season.

And a good FITTED set of clubs.

[Trig]

How good can Joe Average get and how much time will it take?

From 25,000 hours on the tee:

Getting to make a better swing and look like a golfer - 15min. to 2hours

Breaking 100 regularly (if you never have) - less than one year

Break 90 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 3 years

Break 80 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 5 years

Assuming an average condition man 35-55, five lessons a year, one bucket a week in season, 20+ rounds per season.

And a good FIITED set of clubs.

Brian,

How about a 5 handicap trying to get to scratch?

[EdZ]

Brian,

How about a 5 handicap trying to get to scratch?

short game, short game, short game....

visualize every shot and don't hit it until you have 'seen' it go in. Watch the image in 'real time'.

[brianmanzella]

Another point I should have made:

Both of these occured in 1991.

I teach 45,678 times better now than then.


More recent....13 year old came to me in September. He had never broke 90 in a real tournament.

Didn't own a driver, played with a junk set of ladies clubs.

Couldn't hit a good chip shot.

7 months later, shot 73 in tournaments—twice.


As far as any details go.....hmmm......I might have to do a video

[kmmcnabb]

Fire up the camcorder and get in the backyard. We are ready to learn.

Have a great holiday season.

[12 piece bucket]

Another point I should have made:

Both of these occured in 1991.

I teach 45,678 times better now than then.


More recent....13 year old came to me in September. He had never broke 90 in a real tournament.

Didn't own a driver, played with a junk set of ladies clubs.

Couldn't hit a good chip shot.

7 months later, shot 73 in tournaments—twice.


As far as any details go.....hmmm......I might have to do a video

B,

You have to do a video!!!!!

We need it YESTERDAY!

Lay down the gauntlet.

B

[golf2much]

I am 51, and really started playing golf at 46. I had the good fortune to run into an older gentleman who once upon a time was a Hogan Staff member and a local PGA pro. At 76, he took this struggling to make solid contact beginner under his wing. He taught me the value of a solid impact position, flat left wrist and bent right srist without so much as mentioning 12-1 or 12-2. Little did I know the journey he started me on. Within 3 months I was a 12 HC and found the yellow book courtesy of a friend. Lots of work later, periodic nurturing by the old guy, a discovery of the LBG site and the Yoda archives led to fairly rapid inprovement. Fast forward to now, +2 HC and a reasonable swing and a reasonable understanding of my swing. Certainly I still have issues (Yoda has a disk to review as we speak), but the TGM fundamentals were the way. I am forever grateful to Chuck Rey(the old guy) this site and the valuable archived posts.
G2M

[hg]

I am 51, and really started playing golf at 46. I had the good fortune to run into an older gentleman who once upon a time was a Hogan Staff member and a local PGA pro. At 76, he took this struggling to make solid contact beginner under his wing. He taught me the value of a solid impact position, flat left wrist and bent right srist without so much as mentioning 12-1 or 12-2. Little did I know the journey he started me on. Within 3 months I was a 12 HC and found the yellow book courtesy of a friend. Lots of work later, periodic nurturing by the old guy, a discovery of the LBG site and the Yoda archives led to fairly rapid inprovement. Fast forward to now, +2 HC and a reasonable swing and a reasonable understanding of my swing. Certainly I still have issues (Yoda has a disk to review as we speak), but the TGM fundamentals were the way. I am forever grateful to Chuck Rey(the old guy) this site and the valuable archived posts.
G2M

Thanks for this story...gives all us mid-50 guys hope for improvement with good practice and TGM principles.

[Yoda]

How good can Joe Average get and how much time will it take?

From 25,000 hours on the tee:

Getting to make a better swing and look like a golfer - 15min. to 2hours

Breaking 100 regularly (if you never have) - less than one year

Break 90 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 3 years

Break 80 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 5 years

Assuming an average condition man 35-55, five lessons a year, one bucket a week in season, 20+ rounds per season.

And a good FITTED set of clubs.

Good stuff from a man who knows. Thanks, Brian.

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