The Beauty of 12-5

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Old 01-15-2006, 03:46 PM
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I was trying to figure out how Acc. #4 was involved in a stage one stroke. Then I referred to 6-B-4-0 and read this; "Left Arm Power in any form or amount can still be considered #4 Accumulator Action."

So, yes Accumulator #4 is involved in the two barrel stage 1 motion.
Hmm...so for 12-5-1, when Homer lists Acc #4, was he referring to independent Left Arm Power, or Body Power? The latter will clearly make the zero pivot requirement harder to achieve. But it also has mechanical advantage (which is pretty irrelevant for 12-5-1).
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Originally Posted by tongzilla

Hmm...so for 12-5-1, when Homer lists Acc #4, was he referring to independent Left Arm Power, or Body Power?
We're talking about a Stroke that is two feet back and two feet through. Body Power? I don't think so!
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Old 01-15-2006, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
We're talking about a Stroke that is two feet back and two feet through. Body Power? I don't think so!
I didn't mean the full fireworks e.g. spinning the flywheel and Right Shoulder Drive to Load PP#4, etc...

I meant using just a little Pivot to give that Left Arm a little mini blast off, as opposed to using your left arm muscles to move to left arm (ala Ben Doyle...that's a discussion for another day )
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Old 01-15-2006, 08:10 PM
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12-5-1...It Is What It Is
Originally Posted by tongzilla

I didn't mean the full fireworks e.g. spinning the flywheel and Right Shoulder Drive to Load PP#4, etc...

I meant using just a little Pivot to give that Left Arm a little mini blast off, as opposed to using your left arm muscles to move to left arm (ala Ben Doyle...that's a discussion for another day )
The Right Shoulder Turn Thrust drives the Left Arm in a Pivot Stroke. And the Shoulders are a Dual Agent (2-H, 7-13), i.e., they are part of both the Power Package and the Pivot. So, Shoulder Motion (and Action) does not violate the requirements for Zero Pivot.

However...

In addition to Zero Pivot, the Basic Motion of 12-5-1 specifies that the Shoulder Turn also be Zero. Remember, this is a tiny shot. As I've previously stated, everybody wants to make this motion bigger than it is. Per 6-B-4-0 and 10-3-D, the Left Arm motion can be independent of the Pivot.

Point of information: In the as-yet-unpublished 7th edition, Homer Kelley changed the Zero Pivot requirement of 12-5-2 to Minimal Pivot. In addition to the already permitted Downstroke Shoulder Turn, this expansion satisfies the need for the Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm to pick up a little Body Momentum Transfer from a 'thrown' Right Shoulder via the Hip Action of 7-15. In addition, it also satisfies more than a little 'psychological need.'

Bottom line: I'm all for the Swinger's 'mini-blast-off' in 12-5-2 (Acquired Motion) and the major-blastoff of 12-5-3 (Total Motion), but...

In the Basic Motion of 12-5-1...

Nada.

The Left Arm is on its own.

Which, of course, is why Hitting -- Right Elbow Drive -- is so attractive in the Short Strokes.
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Oh what the Hey.....You've gone through Stage One as in depth as never before...you've enticed us with Stage 2.....Let's finish the deal here...I dare ya....
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Oh what the Hey.....You've gone through Stage One as in depth as never before...you've enticed us with Stage 2.....Let's finish the deal here...I dare ya....
Double-dookey-doo-doo-ball dare?
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Double-dookey-doo-doo-ball dare?
You crack me up, 13 piece extra crispy. I can't wait to meet you.
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Oh what the Hey.....You've gone through Stage One as in depth as never before...you've enticed us with Stage 2.....Let's finish the deal here...I dare ya....
Stage Two of the Basic Motion Curriculum -- Acquired Motion -- expands the very Basic Motion from 'two feet back and through' to Waist-high (Right Forearm parallel to the ground on both ends of the Stroke).

In addition to the longer Stroke -- increased Acceleration Time (2-M-4-3) -- you acquire additional Power through minimal Pivot Motion (including Shoulder Turn and Weight Shift). Also, in addition to the Body Motion that serves to Load the Left Wrist (Swinging) or Right Elbow (Hitting), the Acquired Motion introduces the Hand Power Accumulators (Left Wrist Cock and Uncock and Left Hand Turn and Roll). With the introduction of Power Accumulator #3, the Club is now Gripped normally under the heel of the Left Hand (instead of in the cup as in Stage One). Accordingly, the Rhythm of the three Hinge Actions now varies and must be accomodated in the Stroke.

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Stage Two of the Basic Motion Curriculum -- Acquired Motion -- expands the very Basic Motion from 'two feet back and through' to Waist-high (Right Forearm parallel to the ground on both ends of the Stroke).

In addition to the longer Stroke -- increased Acceleration Time (2-M-4-3) -- you acquire additional Power through minimal Pivot Motion (including Shoulder Turn and Weight Shift). Also, in addition to the Body Motion that serves to Load the Left Wrist (Swinging) or Right Elbow (Hitting), the Acquired Motion introduces the Hand Power Accumulators (Left Wrist Cock and Uncock and Left Hand Turn and Roll). With the introduction of Power Accumulator #3, the Club is now Gripped normally under the heel of the Left Hand (instead of in the cup as in Stage One). Accordingly, the Rhythm of the three Hinge Actions now varies and must be accomodated in the Stroke.

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Sir . . . Finish Swivel? Or No Finish Swivel?
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