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[strav]

jermax....
Per 5-0, just concentrate on getting the hands down and out on the inclined plane - everything else will follow. This in essence is the Hand Controlled Pivot.

Comdpa
Can't help thinking you are correct especially with the added weight of 6-G-0 "All motion is focused on driving the Hands—NOT THE CLUB—toward the BALL."

[comdpa]

Comdpa
Can't help thinking you are correct especially with the added weight of 6-G-0 "All motion is focused on driving the Hands—NOT THE CLUB—toward the BALL."

Hi strav,

Something for you to think about along these lines...

6-G-0 also mentions that educated hands can compensate for off line hip and shoulder motion but only up to a point.

How do you reconcile this with a "Hand Controlled Pivot" and what we just mentioned about bringing the hands down and out on plane and 5-0?

This will further your understanding of TGM I believe.

[strav]

Hi strav,

Something for you to think about along these lines...

6-G-0 also mentions that educated hands can compensate for off line hip and shoulder motion but only up to a point.

How do you reconcile this with a "Hand Controlled Pivot" and what we just mentioned about bringing the hands down and out on plane and 5-0?

This will further your understanding of TGM I believe.

Comdpa
The answer to your question, I believe, is encapsulated in the Three Zones(9-0) but I will leave it to others more knowledgeable than I for a detailed response which I’m sure as you say will further my understanding of TGM. Thanks for the reply and posing the question.

[comdpa]

Comdpa
The answer to your question, I believe, is encapsulated in the Three Zones(9-0) but I will leave it to others more knowledgeable than I for a detailed response which I’m sure as you say will further my understanding of TGM. Thanks for the reply and posing the question.

Hi strav,

EdStraker makes a great point.

Yes, the answer is encapsulated in the 3 Zones.

Per 1-L, mastery of the pivot is essential for good golf.
Unless developed in sequence of the 3 zones, one ends up with a weak and compensated game per 9-0.

Instructors who teach only hands or pivot components to the exclusion of the other is only teaching half the golf stroke.

It is vitally essential that the hands and the pivot be trained individually and then control of the entire motion be handed over to the hands.

It is very possible for a player to have offline pivot motion (Bobbing and Swaying per 3-F-7-C/D) and still have the hands making the correct motion.

It is also very possible for the pivot to be making the correct motion and then have the hands spoil it all by Steering (3-F-7-A).

Of course, it is not as simplistic as I explain it. Mr. Kelley certainly solves this problem with his 3 zones.

I just described it in this manner to an AI recently...

The golf stroke is like driving a car. The hands and feet are controlling the car, but it is the engine that is powering the car.

Power flows through the hands and the feet (accelerator control) but power is not of the hands and feet.

In this analogy, the hands and feet relate to the Hands controlling the golf stroke and the engine of the car relates to the Pivot in the golf stroke.

With a student, I will go through Basic, Acquired and then Total Motion.

Within each stage, I deal with the 3 Zones.

For 12-5-1 and 12-5-2, there should be a zeroed out motion, so I teach students what a zeroed motion is, what the Pivot components should be doing (i.e. keep still) for these 2 motions.

For 12-5-3, there will be a Standard Pivot, which means a free turn in both directions. Again, they will be taught what the 6 pivot components ought to be doing etc.

Once a student has gained ample mastery of the pivot, we will move on very rapidly to the other two stages and thereafter pass control of the swing to the hands.

With a Hand Controlled Pivot procedure now, the student now has the benefit of Zone 1 Training to know what the Pivot has to do. When any off line Pivot Motion occurs for any reason, the student has a point of reference that he can now use for correction.

Remember Zone 1 is for balance and not for power, but there can be no power without balance...and thus, it is imperative to keep things in their place...and it is here I also leave you with more food for thought - namely, Pivot or Hands for power?

[6bmike]

I remember Lynn telling it this way:

Z1 ... the pivot- turning of the right shoulder
Z2 ... the lifting of the arms during Z1
Z3 ... The delivery of the hands- the Flying Wedges and pp3
down through the ball.

[strav]

Pivot or Hands for power?

Ben thought both were involved - and then some.

[comdpa]

Ben thought both were involved - and then some.

Yes strav,

Both are involved when it comes to hitting the ball a mile.

Not to give the impression that I am more knowledgeable than Mr. Hogan, I would disregard some of the things that he says in the caption.

Taking Mr. Hogan's advice to use the right foot to give that "decided push" for more power will trouble amateurs more than help them.

Mr. Kelley in studying Mr. Hogan's book, "Power Golf" disregarded all the "words" and paid attention only to the pictures which were "big and clear"

[kmmcnabb]

Comdpa and Yoda,

Big thanks on down, out, and forward. Much much clearer now. I was out of my office for a week or so and just got back to read it. Thanks for the help. By the by, ordered the new edition (can't resist) and hope to have it by mid April for a look.