The 160-yard chip...

[jim_0068]

I know Yoda is the master, but i don't feel finish swivel is THAT important in hitting.

Just make sure you get to both arms straight and just the momemtum of you thrusting to both arms straight will take you into whatever finish your "finish" is.

[birdie_man]

Ya I don't get it in Hitting either....I think it's kinda weird actually.....I like to hold the FLWrist.

[wicker1000]

Yoda,
Regarding "finish swivel"...

I use club-face counter-rotation, with layback occurring through and past impact. IMHO this is one of the reasons I am getting the lazer chip-like accuracy. The feeling is very much trail shoulder "under", with my trail wrist actually slightly supinated at the "arms straight" post impact position - counter rotation. This would not seem to lend itself to a swivel (as in 4-D-0) as I understand the motion. Perhaps this is why I am not able to amp it up a notch - or perhaps I just need some fog cleared. Should I dump the counter-rotation?

Delaware Golf: To answer your question, I've been "in and around" TGM for a couple years - either studying folks like Evershed, Doyle, Tomasello, etc. - or in trying to grasp the yellow book directly. Recently I've started to see some tangible results with hitting, and I'm eager to take it to the next level.

Thanks folks.
wicker1000

[Yoda]

Yoda,
Regarding "finish swivel"...

I use club-face counter-rotation, with layback occurring through and past impact. IMHO this is one of the reasons I am getting the lazer chip-like accuracy. The feeling is very much trail shoulder "under", with my trail wrist actually slightly supinated at the "arms straight" post impact position - counter rotation. This would not seem to lend itself to a swivel (as in 4-D-0) as I understand the motion. Perhaps this is why I am not able to amp it up a notch - or perhaps I just need some fog cleared. Should I dump the counter-rotation?

The TGM term for your "counter-rotation" is Vertical Hinging. Its Clubface Layback does promote accuracy, but at the expense of distance (as you have discovered). In essence, it is controlled Steering (3-F-7-A).

When you have reached the end of the Follow-Through and desire a longer Finish, it is important to Finish Swivel. This is true regardless of the Hinge Action employed. Check out my free video Yoda of Arabia in The Gallery and see how it's done. In this clip, I demonstrate from a target-view how the proper Swivel after a Vertical Hinge Action is accomplished. While this demonstration is done in the Sand, the principle holds true for the longer Shots from turf that you have described.

[powerdraw]

can some one please explain the advantages of the finish swivel? is it an anti-steering or just a reroute on plane? or a means to keep that wet mop dragging through?

[tongzilla]

How do you get a 'flipper' to perform the Finish Swivel and at the same time having them sustain their Clubhead Lag Pressure all the way to the Finish (Clubhead Lag is never 'Released' intentionally)?

[Bagger Lance]

Not a challenge for Yoda at all, but a challenge for Bagger which I'm about to overcome. The egg hatched on this subject recently and now it's just a matter of execution.

To avoid the Number One malfunction which is Steering, you must follow the prescription in 3-F-7-A.

Once you have removed steering from your swing, the finish swivel is just a natural recocking of the flat left wrist back up the plane. The roll is a natural result of your hinge action rhythm.

But, none of this is possible unless your right forearm and #3 pressure point are tracing the plane line past impact and into the follow-through. Steering will cause a bent left wrist and throwaway. In my case, the right forearm moves back inside the plane by a few inches (traces inside and left of the plane line) right after impact. The finish swivel becomes distorted. I have a slight chickenwing left arm and an artifical hard roll of the hands to keep the momentum going into the finish.

As soon as I'm cured, I'll post the before and after. Shouldn't take long now that the Chick has hatched.

Bagger

[Yoda]

Can some one please explain the advantages of the finish swivel? is it an anti-steering or just a reroute on plane? or a means to keep that wet mop dragging through?

The Finish Swivel with its Flat Left Wrist -- Visual or Geometric -- enables the Clubhead to complete its On Plane Overtaking of the Hands while maintaining the Rhythm of the Stroke -- the In Line condition of the Left Forearm and Clubshaft. It is integral to the operation of the Golfer's Flail and the Endless Belt Effect (Sketch 2-K #1/#6)

[jim_0068]

In my experience if you have a pretty sound hitting procedure i see personally no difference in ball flight/distance/etc with a finish swivel.

In swinging i do, hitting no.

Maybe i'm confusing what the finish swivel is. I'll go check

[Yoda]

...i don't feel finish swivel is THAT important in hitting.

Just make sure you get to both arms straight and just the momemtum of you thrusting to both arms straight will take you into whatever finish your "finish" is.

Hitting or Swinging, the Finish Swivel is the bridge between the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position) and the Finish. In my experience, it is a huge missing piece in the action of most players. Homer Kelley thought so, too, and that is why he included it in the 45 mission-critical items in the Mechanical Checklist For All Strokes (12-3).

In fact, Homer related this story of how he worked with a student to achieve a sufficient amount of the correct Finish Swivel.

Homer: More Swivel.

Student: More?

Homer: More.

Student: More?

Homer: More!

Finally the student was able to complete the assigned task, and both the student and Homer were delighted. Of the session, Homer said:

"I learned more about golf on that day than on any other...he paid me five dollars, too!"